<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:26 AM, Rick Moen wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Quoting Ray Wong (<A href="mailto:rayw@rayw.net">rayw@rayw.net</A>):</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Oddly, when I was working in the south bay, it turns out that it's</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">really not all that bad to drive up into SF.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space">� </SPAN>I think there's a big</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">psychological barrier....</DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Reminds me of a story.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space">� </SPAN>I was living way out in San Francisco's Outer</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Sunset district near the end of Golden Gate Park, and suggested to some</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">friends that we go to dinner at Joe's of Westlake.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space">� </SPAN>They were</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">non-plussed:<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space">� </SPAN>"But _that's_ in Daly City!<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space">� </SPAN>It's in _San Mateo County_!</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Let's go to Pot Sticker in Chinatown."</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I said, "Er, it's a 5-minute trip down Sunset to Joe's; it's 40 minutes</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">to Pot Sticker.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space">� </SPAN>What colour is the sky in this world of yours where</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Chinatown's closer?"</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Funny thing about the classic S.F. mindset:<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space">� </SPAN>It's a rare day when they</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">even think of venturing south of Army^WCesar Chavez.<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space">� </SPAN>(Present company</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">is assumed to differ.)</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Anyhow, I'll bet that anyone able to put together and run San Francisco</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">meetings would have no trouble convincing the Board to call them BayLISA</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">meetings, regardless of existing BayLISA events occurring elsewhere --</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">unless of course this is one of those ever-popular "Here, I have a great</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">idea for a new volunteer initiative for _someone else_ to do", in which</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">case it's been fun as always.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><off-topic>South of Army? I don't know about that.. South of 30th, definitely. There's a good</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">chinese place a block away from Army, the Jade Teahouse. That block also has</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">the best salvadorean restaurants in city, and the city's only Jamaican/Italian place, Emma's</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">Spaghetti shack.� Going beyond 30th, however, became sad once the only good restaurant</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">in the excelsior, Bistro E Europe, went out of business. There is still, however, a great�</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">liquor store at Mission & Silver, Mike's Liquors, which is the only place I know of who will</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">deliver a keg of guinness on 3 hour's notice.��</FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">There are also three�</FONT><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">great bars (the Knockout�</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">[formerly the Odeon], Argus, and El Rio).� We also shouldn't forget Mitchell's Ice cream, or</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">the dozen great restaurants up on Cortland in Bernal.. ALl of them south of Cesar Chavez</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">(but not too far south!). And for slumming it, the best burrito shop is a block south of Army</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">on Bayshore� in the warehouse district, Taqueria el Potrillo.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">The sunset is an odd comparsion, actually. People in the sunset might as well be in sunnyvale,</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">it's definitely a bedroom community... In the Sunset, SUVS, Bad Drivers, and stores who</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD">roll up their sidewalks at 7pm abound</off-topic></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#0000DD"></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>