From rsr at inorganic.org  Thu Dec  6 13:53:32 2012
From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 13:53:32 -0800
Subject: [Baylisa] A Minor Etiquette Question
In-Reply-To: <B11610B94DB249B1B847D35B29C609EB@SKIBMLaptopT30>
References: <B11610B94DB249B1B847D35B29C609EB@SKIBMLaptopT30>
Message-ID: <50C113DC.1010301@inorganic.org>

Say you see a job posting go to baylisa-jobs that seems to you pretty 
horrifying.  Things like a mismatch between salary ("We'll pay you $8.23 
an hour!") and qualifications ("Advanced knowledge of Python! Must have 
gone to kindergarten with Linus Torvalds!"), or work conditions ("Must 
be ready and willing to work 24 hour shifts.  Several.  Without breaks").

What's the right behavior, then? Respond privately to the recruiter 
(these sorts of things seem to correlate strongly with recruiter-posted 
jobs, rather than direct postings, because hiring managers are typically 
at least somewhat more grounded in reality)? Respond to baylisa-jobs? 
Respond to baylisa? Let it go because it's none of your business?

I'm curious to see what other peoples' opinion is.

Best,
-roy

From rnovak at indyramp.com  Thu Dec  6 14:19:20 2012
From: rnovak at indyramp.com (Robert Novak)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:19:20 -0800
Subject: [Baylisa] A Minor Etiquette Question
In-Reply-To: <50C113DC.1010301@inorganic.org>
References: <B11610B94DB249B1B847D35B29C609EB@SKIBMLaptopT30>
	<50C113DC.1010301@inorganic.org>
Message-ID: <CAO5JrL4LHBGzMyB-rdn5gSHK+1nn-OXOV3tY7KZCsLSBFD00Zw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Roy,

Speaking as a longtime reader of baylisa-jobs, here, not an officer of
BayLISA or anything official...

I would definitely lean toward either responding directly to the poster, or
sighing with unfiltered resignation such that your coworkers think you
passed a stone and then moving on.

In general, while I'm not excusing the sorts of things that you see in a
lot of LinkedIn forums ("GREAT JOBS IN THE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY IN DELHI
TODAY" in sysadmin groups, for example), a recruiter, headhunter, hiring
manager, or employee seeking a referral bonus is trying to do something
acceptable by posting their request on baylisa-jobs. Or I'll at least give
them the benefit of the doubt until they are proven malicious.

Recruiters may have no idea what "large and distributed systems like cloud
computing" really would mean, or how to recognize same if it struck them in
the middle of the back at a really amazing floating party. The internal HR
people at the company may not even know what it means. But if you assume
(bravely) that they're trying to help a company solve a problem, and in the
process trying to help a sysadmin find a job, you can give them a gentle
prod, constructive and polite suggestions, or just the benefit of the
doubt.

Having gone through thousands of resumes as a hiring manager and as a guy
looking to get colleagues and referral bonuses myself, I've seen a lot of
resumes that had the same level of clue. People who list "Ethernet" as an
expert technology but can't tell the difference between 568A and 568B.
People who demand $160k for a senior position with a junior level of
expertise. People expecting architecture roles because they built a VM by
downloading it from a vendor and importing it into Fusion.

It would be an interesting discussion, if it could be done civilly, to
cover red flags and buzzwords in job postings (and in resumes). Maybe if
someone has a good relationship with a local (Bay Area)
recruiter/headhunter, they could get said person to come in to the December
BayLISA meeting and talk briefly about life and candidate hunting from the
other side.

But in short, don't take recruiters personally, don't take your beef with
their postings to a public forum, and remember, if "TEN YEARS MINIMUM
WINDOWS 7 SERVER EXPERIENCE" is the worst, most annoying thing you read
today, you're doing better than a lot of us out here.

Robert

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Roy Rapoport <rsr at inorganic.org> wrote:

> Say you see a job posting go to baylisa-jobs that seems to you pretty
> horrifying.  Things like a mismatch between salary ("We'll pay you $8.23 an
> hour!") and qualifications ("Advanced knowledge of Python! Must have gone
> to kindergarten with Linus Torvalds!"), or work conditions ("Must be ready
> and willing to work 24 hour shifts.  Several.  Without breaks").
>
> What's the right behavior, then? Respond privately to the recruiter (these
> sorts of things seem to correlate strongly with recruiter-posted jobs,
> rather than direct postings, because hiring managers are typically at least
> somewhat more grounded in reality)? Respond to baylisa-jobs? Respond to
> baylisa? Let it go because it's none of your business?
>
> I'm curious to see what other peoples' opinion is.
>
> Best,
> -roy
> ______________________________**_________________
> Baylisa mailing list
> Baylisa at baylisa.org
> http://www.baylisa.org/**mailman/listinfo/baylisa<http://www.baylisa.org/mailman/listinfo/baylisa>
>
>

From rsr at inorganic.org  Thu Dec  6 14:26:03 2012
From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy Rapoport)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:26:03 -0800
Subject: [Baylisa] A Minor Etiquette Question
In-Reply-To: <CAO5JrL4LHBGzMyB-rdn5gSHK+1nn-OXOV3tY7KZCsLSBFD00Zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B11610B94DB249B1B847D35B29C609EB@SKIBMLaptopT30>
	<50C113DC.1010301@inorganic.org>
	<CAO5JrL4LHBGzMyB-rdn5gSHK+1nn-OXOV3tY7KZCsLSBFD00Zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50C11B7B.7090407@inorganic.org>

On 12/6/12 2:19 PM, Robert Novak wrote:
> It would be an interesting discussion, if it could be done civilly, to
> cover red flags and buzzwords in job postings (and in resumes). Maybe if
> someone has a good relationship with a local (Bay Area)
> recruiter/headhunter, they could get said person to come in to the December
> BayLISA meeting and talk briefly about life and candidate hunting from the
> other side.

If you guys would be interested in this, one of my long-time friends has 
been a recruiter for a while now and I suspect would be happy to 
present; I can check.  she's also one of the saner recruiters I've 
worked with.  Actually, hell.  I knew a few of them.  We could do a panel :)

> But in short, don't take recruiters personally, don't take your beef with
> their postings to a public forum, and remember, if "TEN YEARS MINIMUM
> WINDOWS 7 SERVER EXPERIENCE" is the worst, most annoying thing you read
> today, you're doing better than a lot of us out here.

I don't know that it's about taking it personally.  I'm not offended per 
se; it's more that when I see a position that isn't impossible, just 
massively undercompensated, it worries me that some poor sysadmin 
somewhere out there -- someone who by dint of their profession I 
consider a brother or sister in this trade of ours -- is going to get 
shafted.  And part of me wants to say "wait, you can do better."

Thanks for the reasoned, and eloquent response, Robert.  I do appreciate it.

Best,
-roy

From rnovak at indyramp.com  Thu Dec  6 14:45:50 2012
From: rnovak at indyramp.com (Robert Novak)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2012 14:45:50 -0800
Subject: [Baylisa] A Minor Etiquette Question
In-Reply-To: <50C11B7B.7090407@inorganic.org>
References: <B11610B94DB249B1B847D35B29C609EB@SKIBMLaptopT30>
	<50C113DC.1010301@inorganic.org>
	<CAO5JrL4LHBGzMyB-rdn5gSHK+1nn-OXOV3tY7KZCsLSBFD00Zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<50C11B7B.7090407@inorganic.org>
Message-ID: <CAO5JrL5VYAiP9nR_yaTZ5r-1YfRYFae6w3t660vgh1C391c3JQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Roy Rapoport <rsr at inorganic.org> wrote:

> On 12/6/12 2:19 PM, Robert Novak wrote:
>
>> if someone has a good relationship with a local (Bay Area)
>> recruiter/headhunter, they could get said person to come in to the
>> December
>> BayLISA meeting and talk briefly about life and candidate hunting from the
>> other side.
>>
>
> If you guys would be interested in this, one of my long-time friends has
> been a recruiter for a while now and I suspect would be happy to present; I
> can check.  she's also one of the saner recruiters I've worked with.
>  Actually, hell.  I knew a few of them.  We could do a panel :)


That would be great. Feel free to contact me off-list to follow up on this
idea.


> But in short, don't take recruiters personally, don't take your beef with
>
>> their postings to a public forum, and remember, if "TEN YEARS MINIMUM
>> WINDOWS 7 SERVER EXPERIENCE" is the worst, most annoying thing you read
>> today, you're doing better than a lot of us out here.
>>
>
> I don't know that it's about taking it personally.  I'm not offended per
> se; it's more that when I see a position that isn't impossible, just
> massively undercompensated, it worries me that some poor sysadmin somewhere
> out there -- someone who by dint of their profession I consider a brother
> or sister in this trade of ours -- is going to get shafted.  And part of me
> wants to say "wait, you can do better."
>

Yeah... sometimes I worry as well, but the recruiter (internal or external)
has little control over what the hiring company has decided to pay.

It's probably easier to point sysadmin types toward a reputable salary
survey (like LISA's at
https://www.usenix.org/news/2011-lisa-sysadmin-salary-survey-results-are-now-available--
should be open to the public soon) or Glassdoor or something like
that.
They can be prepared and have a sense of what they should be getting, and
hiring companies who want to lowball talent will get their just desserts as
well.

Robert

From rnovak at indyramp.com  Fri Dec 14 08:55:07 2012
From: rnovak at indyramp.com (Robert Novak)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:55:07 -0800
Subject: [Baylisa] BayLISA in Six Days - Short But Cool (and a personal
 appeal for old flash drives)
Message-ID: <CAO5JrL5E5L3Wj=vyh-8=WUKOn=gFR4dHZz30kprTxofOxGCYmg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

DECEMBER BAYLISA MEETING

We're still collecting details on this month's Short-but-Cool talks at
BayLISA.

Details/RSVP: http://www.meetup.com/BayLISA/events/46829162/
When: Thursday 12/20/2012 7:30pm at LinkedIn (room TBD)

If you'd like to give a talk, it's an easy task in general. You get 10
minutes to either demonstrate or talk about something interesting you've
been doing. There's a couple of minutes for question-and-answer (or you can
take them inline, or not at all), and then you go back to your seat and
relax, knowing you've done something very few BayLISA attendees have ever
done.

Drop a note back to me if you're interested, or if you want to vette a
topic or demo. Assuming work doesn't get any hairier than it already is
(and that would probably require work to develop a gland condition or
lycanthropy at this point), I'm planning to either talk about moving huge
amounts of data, or deploy a Hadoop cluster on my laptop. So feel free to
join in the fun!

LOOKING FOR OLD FLASH DRIVES

And as a personal appeal... I'm looking for some smallish flash drives.
Remember how you felt the first time you burned a 1 meg file to a CD-ROM?
That's kinda how I feel when I'm rummaging through a box of 4-64GB flash
drives for something to install a 100MB boot image on. And remember the
last time you had a use for those 256MB vendor flash drives taking up space
in your drawer or your car ashtray? Didn't think so. :)

If you have some smaller/older/unwanted flash drives that you'd like to
find a new home for, bring them to the meeting and I'll take them off your
hands and give them new life. I can use anything 64MB and up but worst
case, I'll see that they're recycled if I can't use them.

MEETINGS FOR 2013

We're looking for topics, speakers, and venues/sponsors for 2013 meetings.
If you'd like to make a suggestion, or if you'd like to volunteer for any
or all of the above, drop me a note. BayLISA is about what you, our guests
and members, want it to be about.

Thanks,
Robert Novak
BayLISA President

From rnovak at indyramp.com  Wed Dec 19 18:38:38 2012
From: rnovak at indyramp.com (Robert Novak)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:38:38 -0800
Subject: [Baylisa] BayLISA TOMORROW - Short But Cool update
Message-ID: <CAO5JrL74qrpK9_s-Ebb0iwmHYLYLn46ivEJMLHjFrqADh=nZ1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Just a quick note and reminder of tomorrow's Short But Cool Winter Edition
of BayLISA.

We're meeting in Unite, the bigger room at 2025 Stierlin Ct (just before
the roundabout).

We have five talks scheduled:


   - Roger Weeks of Inktank: Architectural Overview and uses of Ceph
   - Ben Milman of iXsystems: Using OwnCloud under Warden on PC-BSD
   - Dominica DeGrandis: Using Kanban method to handle dependencies without
   havoc
   - Joseph Atkinson of iXsystems: Simple CIFS setup for home users
   - Peter Linnell of SuSE Linux: Open Build Service

More details at the Meetup page:
http://www.meetup.com/BayLISA/events/46829162/

Please RSVP if you're coming so we can plan for pizza (thanks to iXsystems
again for feeding our hungry sysadmins!).

Robert

On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Robert Novak <rnovak at indyramp.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> DECEMBER BAYLISA MEETING
>
> We're still collecting details on this month's Short-but-Cool talks at
> BayLISA.
>
> Details/RSVP: http://www.meetup.com/BayLISA/events/46829162/
> When: Thursday 12/20/2012 7:30pm at LinkedIn (room TBD)
>
> If you'd like to give a talk, it's an easy task in general. You get 10
> minutes to either demonstrate or talk about something interesting you've
> been doing. There's a couple of minutes for question-and-answer (or you can
> take them inline, or not at all), and then you go back to your seat and
> relax, knowing you've done something very few BayLISA attendees have ever
> done.
>
> Drop a note back to me if you're interested, or if you want to vette a
> topic or demo. Assuming work doesn't get any hairier than it already is
> (and that would probably require work to develop a gland condition or
> lycanthropy at this point), I'm planning to either talk about moving huge
> amounts of data, or deploy a Hadoop cluster on my laptop. So feel free to
> join in the fun!
>
> LOOKING FOR OLD FLASH DRIVES
>
> And as a personal appeal... I'm looking for some smallish flash drives.
> Remember how you felt the first time you burned a 1 meg file to a CD-ROM?
> That's kinda how I feel when I'm rummaging through a box of 4-64GB flash
> drives for something to install a 100MB boot image on. And remember the
> last time you had a use for those 256MB vendor flash drives taking up space
> in your drawer or your car ashtray? Didn't think so. :)
>
> If you have some smaller/older/unwanted flash drives that you'd like to
> find a new home for, bring them to the meeting and I'll take them off your
> hands and give them new life. I can use anything 64MB and up but worst
> case, I'll see that they're recycled if I can't use them.
>
> MEETINGS FOR 2013
>
> We're looking for topics, speakers, and venues/sponsors for 2013 meetings.
> If you'd like to make a suggestion, or if you'd like to volunteer for any
> or all of the above, drop me a note. BayLISA is about what you, our guests
> and members, want it to be about.
>
> Thanks,
> Robert Novak
> BayLISA President
>

From david at catwhisker.org  Thu Dec 20 10:34:02 2012
From: david at catwhisker.org (David Wolfskill)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:34:02 -0800
Subject: [Baylisa] [darkuranium@gmail.com: Request for comments on a keycap
 (keyboard key) logo]
Message-ID: <20121220183402.GZ1897@albert.catwhisker.org>

While I admit a certain bias [Disclosure: I've been volunteering for the
FreeBSD project in administrative positions for some years now], the
image is not specific to FreeBSD -- and it bears a strong resemblance to
the daemon BayLISA has used in the past.

So I thought some folks might find this amusing.

----- Forwarded message from Tim ??as <darkuranium at gmail.com> -----

Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:14:28 +0100
From: Tim ??as <darkuranium at gmail.com>
To: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org
Subject: Request for comments on a keycap (keyboard key) logo

Hey there. A few days ago, I asked a company which makes customized keycaps
(for the Cherry MX keys) if they'd consider adding a FreeBSD logo to their
selection of OS keycaps (aka the Windows/Super/Command keys), to complement
the Amiga and Linux variants that they have (plus the usual Mac, and the
even more usual Windows, of course).

To my suprise, their response was affirmative, and after a couple of emails
sent back and forth, they've presented me with a potential draft for the
Beastie logo (I do not know at this time if they plan on adding both the
"orb" and the Beastie logos, but I have suggested for them to add both).

Here is the draft: http://stdrand.com/upload/files/beastie-mono.png (n.b.:
I will probably be reorganizing my server soonish, so this won't be up
forever).
It is simply a monochromatic rendering of the Beastie here:
http://www.freebsd.org/art.html

Before you ask, yes, I did inform them about the copyright status of the
artwork, and they said that they've contacted the author. I'm pretty sure
that he won't mind this being used to promote the OS by having this as an
option for the keys!

I'll give you the link to the company -- and the relevant OS keys page --
later, for I fear that I might be pushing the limits by having 2 links in
my first email to the list, and that a 3rd might go over the top. Besides,
they haven't *yet* added this to their selection.

Anyways, the reason I'm sending this here is two-fold:
1) I'd like some comments on the Beastie variant above. Someone has already
commented that the shoes look rather long; I've notified them of this.
2) Simply to let you know that, if you have a Cherry MX switch-based
mechanical keyboard, you might be able to have FreeBSD OS keys soon!

PS: I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list. I apologize if it's not.

Best regards,
Tim ??as
_______________________________________________
freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org mailing list
http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy
To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe at freebsd.org"


----- End forwarded message -----

Peace,
david
-- 
David H. Wolfskill				david at catwhisker.org
Taliban: Evil men with guns afraid of truth from a 14-year old girl.

See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key.
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From jxh at jxh.com  Thu Dec 20 10:41:02 2012
From: jxh at jxh.com (Jim Hickstein)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 12:41:02 -0600
Subject: [Baylisa] [darkuranium@gmail.com: Request for comments on a
 keycap (keyboard key) logo]
In-Reply-To: <20121220183402.GZ1897@albert.catwhisker.org>
References: <20121220183402.GZ1897@albert.catwhisker.org>
Message-ID: <50D35BBE.1020102@jxh.com>

On 2012/12/20 12:34, David Wolfskill wrote:
> While I admit a certain bias [Disclosure: I've been volunteering for the
> FreeBSD project in administrative positions for some years now], the
> image is not specific to FreeBSD -- and it bears a strong resemblance to
> the daemon BayLISA has used in the past.

That's because BayLISA commissioned the same artist, Marshall Kirk 
McKusick.  The BayLISA "daemon" is distinct, though related.  I don't 
recall (because I wasn't around at that very early stage) what the 
copyright arrangement was for ours.

> So I thought some folks might find this amusing.
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Tim ??as <darkuranium at gmail.com> -----
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:14:28 +0100
> From: Tim ??as <darkuranium at gmail.com>
> To: freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org
> Subject: Request for comments on a keycap (keyboard key) logo
>
> Hey there. A few days ago, I asked a company which makes customized keycaps
> (for the Cherry MX keys) if they'd consider adding a FreeBSD logo to their
> selection of OS keycaps (aka the Windows/Super/Command keys), to complement
> the Amiga and Linux variants that they have (plus the usual Mac, and the
> even more usual Windows, of course).
>
> To my suprise, their response was affirmative, and after a couple of emails
> sent back and forth, they've presented me with a potential draft for the
> Beastie logo (I do not know at this time if they plan on adding both the
> "orb" and the Beastie logos, but I have suggested for them to add both).
>
> Here is the draft: http://stdrand.com/upload/files/beastie-mono.png (n.b.:
> I will probably be reorganizing my server soonish, so this won't be up
> forever).
> It is simply a monochromatic rendering of the Beastie here:
> http://www.freebsd.org/art.html
>
> Before you ask, yes, I did inform them about the copyright status of the
> artwork, and they said that they've contacted the author. I'm pretty sure
> that he won't mind this being used to promote the OS by having this as an
> option for the keys!
>
> I'll give you the link to the company -- and the relevant OS keys page --
> later, for I fear that I might be pushing the limits by having 2 links in
> my first email to the list, and that a 3rd might go over the top. Besides,
> they haven't *yet* added this to their selection.
>
> Anyways, the reason I'm sending this here is two-fold:
> 1) I'd like some comments on the Beastie variant above. Someone has already
> commented that the shoes look rather long; I've notified them of this.
> 2) Simply to let you know that, if you have a Cherry MX switch-based
> mechanical keyboard, you might be able to have FreeBSD OS keys soon!
>
> PS: I'm not sure if this is the right mailing list. I apologize if it's not.
>
> Best regards,
> Tim ??as
> _______________________________________________
> freebsd-advocacy at freebsd.org mailing list
> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy
> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe at freebsd.org"
>
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
> Peace,
> david
>


From rnovak at indyramp.com  Thu Dec 20 11:47:50 2012
From: rnovak at indyramp.com (Robert Novak)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:47:50 -0800
Subject: [Baylisa] [darkuranium@gmail.com: Request for comments on a
 keycap (keyboard key) logo]
In-Reply-To: <50D35BBE.1020102@jxh.com>
References: <20121220183402.GZ1897@albert.catwhisker.org>
	<50D35BBE.1020102@jxh.com>
Message-ID: <CAO5JrL6-45QXEG1P2CDMtcGmOhWSKAHgOtHSOstLFZTPihOH8g@mail.gmail.com>

I've found evidence in Twiki that there was a licensing/royalty agreement
with Mr McKusick. I believe it was 5% of gross receipts in advance, from a
blw message from Jim 12 years ago last month :)

We've (well, I've) been thinking about doing new promo items, which will
probably require making a new agreement with Kirk. Someone committed to
having some new logos designed by the February 2012 board meeting, but that
hasn't happened yet. Maybe in 2013. Maybe a Mayan themed logo or
something--perhaps animated? :)

Robert

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Jim Hickstein <jxh at jxh.com> wrote:

> On 2012/12/20 12:34, David Wolfskill wrote:
>
>> While I admit a certain bias [Disclosure: I've been volunteering for the
>> FreeBSD project in administrative positions for some years now], the
>> image is not specific to FreeBSD -- and it bears a strong resemblance to
>> the daemon BayLISA has used in the past.
>>
>
> That's because BayLISA commissioned the same artist, Marshall Kirk
> McKusick.  The BayLISA "daemon" is distinct, though related.  I don't
> recall (because I wasn't around at that very early stage) what the
> copyright arrangement was for ours.
>
>

From rob.markovic at gmail.com  Thu Dec 20 13:33:05 2012
From: rob.markovic at gmail.com (Rob Markovic)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 13:33:05 -0800
Subject: [Baylisa] Happy Holidays from our friends at Joyent
Message-ID: <CAMJVQOW=qdOgum6CN6p_bJr3tSC+7qkk8G-sDb6sF0LvnX10HA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings fellow Baylisians,

I have a tweet from Deirdre Straughan from Joyent to let you guys know of a
Holiday promotion they have going on.

Check it out below.

See you all tonight, in the big room for short but cool talks,

Best,

-- Rob
A Holiday Gift from Joyent
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-----

From ur.matt at gmail.com  Thu Dec 20 14:13:38 2012
From: ur.matt at gmail.com (matt)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:13:38 -0500
Subject: [Baylisa] Happy Holidays from our friends at Joyent
In-Reply-To: <CAMJVQOW=qdOgum6CN6p_bJr3tSC+7qkk8G-sDb6sF0LvnX10HA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMJVQOW=qdOgum6CN6p_bJr3tSC+7qkk8G-sDb6sF0LvnX10HA@mail.gmail.com>
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Anyone else having problems with the phone verification?
I enter the number and it times out after 90 seconds.

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Rob Markovic <rob.markovic at gmail.com>wrote:

> Greetings fellow Baylisians,
>
> I have a tweet from Deirdre Straughan from Joyent to let you guys know of a
> Holiday promotion they have going on.
>
> Check it out below.
>
> See you all tonight, in the big room for short but cool talks,
>
> Best,
>
> -- Rob
> A Holiday Gift from Joyent
> December 18, 2012 by deirdre <http://smartos.org/author/deirdre/>
>
> <https://my.joyentcloud.com/signup?cid=70180000000ag8G&promo=HOLIDAYJOY>
> Try out the high-performance Joyent Cloud *FREE* from now until the end of
> January. Enjoy the great SmartOS features you love in the Joyent public
> cloud. Click here<
> https://my.joyentcloud.com/signup?cid=70180000000ag8G&promo=HOLIDAYJOY>to
> get started!
>
> *Note*: The sign-up process requires you to enter a credit card, but you
> start with a store credit of $125 (~2 months of a 1 GB SmartMachine), and
> will never be charged until your account exceeds that. If you never get to
> $125.01, you?ll never pay a penny.
>   ? SmartOS News: Dec 13,
> 2012<http://smartos.org/2012/12/13/smartos-news-dec-13-2012/>
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From guy at extragalactic.net  Thu Dec 20 17:08:39 2012
From: guy at extragalactic.net (Guy B. Purcell)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:08:39 -0800
Subject: [Baylisa] [darkuranium@gmail.com: Request for comments on a
	keycap (keyboard key) logo]
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References: <20121220183402.GZ1897@albert.catwhisker.org>
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Ha--I've been thinking about that, too!  And Jim, I hadn't realized we'd commissioned Kirk for original art:  I'd just assumed it was a right-to-use agreement.  Thanks for setting me straight!  See you tonight, Rob.

-Guy


On Dec 20, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Robert Novak <rnovak at indyramp.com> wrote:

> I've found evidence in Twiki that there was a licensing/royalty agreement
> with Mr McKusick. I believe it was 5% of gross receipts in advance, from a
> blw message from Jim 12 years ago last month :)
> 
> We've (well, I've) been thinking about doing new promo items, which will
> probably require making a new agreement with Kirk. Someone committed to
> having some new logos designed by the February 2012 board meeting, but that
> hasn't happened yet. Maybe in 2013. Maybe a Mayan themed logo or
> something--perhaps animated? :)
> 
> Robert
> 
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Jim Hickstein <jxh at jxh.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2012/12/20 12:34, David Wolfskill wrote:
>> 
>>> While I admit a certain bias [Disclosure: I've been volunteering for the
>>> FreeBSD project in administrative positions for some years now], the
>>> image is not specific to FreeBSD -- and it bears a strong resemblance to
>>> the daemon BayLISA has used in the past.
>>> 
>> 
>> That's because BayLISA commissioned the same artist, Marshall Kirk
>> McKusick.  The BayLISA "daemon" is distinct, though related.  I don't
>> recall (because I wasn't around at that very early stage) what the
>> copyright arrangement was for ours.
>> 
>> 
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From rnovak at indyramp.com  Fri Dec 21 09:05:59 2012
From: rnovak at indyramp.com (Robert Novak)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:05:59 -0800
Subject: [Baylisa] Thanks to everyone who joined us last night
Message-ID: <CAO5JrL6wv0L2kgQTw3w=roF_bQbLwS+XgFwHRaV4Xj6OWroJGg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

We had a great turnout for last night's BayLISA Short But Cool meeting.
Thanks to everyone who came in to present, survived technical difficulties,
and helped us consume all of the pizza that iXsystems graciously provided.

If you RSVPed and attended, please come back to
http://www.meetup.com/BayLISA/events/46829162/ and give us a rating and
review.

In case you're looking for more details on last night's topics, here are
some links.

* Ceph: See http://slideshare.net/Inktank_Ceph for the "LISA '12" slides,
which Miroslav's presentation was based on.
* Warden: The GUI for FreeBSD Jails can be used under PC-BSD, which can be
explored and downloaded at www.pcbsd.org
* Kanban: Dominica DeGrandis has posted her slides on her website and on
Slideshare at http://slidesha.re/TbCYlU
* FreeNAS: Find the latest version of FreeNAS at www.freenas.org
* Open Build Service: Find out more about this resource at
www.openbuildservice.org
* Anybots: Find out more about the mobile telepresence "robots" at
www.anybots.com
* iXsystems: Learn more about the force behind PC-BSD, FreeNAS, and some
great servers and workstations (as well as the pizza at BayLISA and BAFUG
events) at www.ixsystems.com

We'll have details on the January meeting as soon as they're finalized.
Keep an eye on http://www.meetup.com/BayLISA/ for the latest news.

If you have a suggestion or referral for a future talk, sponsor, or venue,
feel free to get in touch. We can guess at what you're interested in, but
unless you speak up, we won't know for sure.

Thanks all, and happy winter.

Robert Novak
BayLISA President