From pmui at groundworkopensource.com Wed Jan 2 16:52:59 2008 From: pmui at groundworkopensource.com (Peter Mui) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:52:59 -0800 Subject: BayLISA Monitoring SIG: Weds, Jan 9 2008, 7PM References: <200711150754.lAF7sc08014636@firewall.harker.com> Message-ID: (Hi: You're invited to the BayLISA Monitoring SIG, Weds, Jan 9 2008, 7PM. See the meeting announcement pasted below: feel free to post it and/or forward it along to anyone else who might be interested. Many thanks, and hope to see you there! -Peter) ================================================= Monitoring SIG XIII: Nagios Integration in Hyperic HQ Hyperic will present on Nagios integration and using Hyperic HQ's new Nagios plugin, which provides Nagios-like functionality out of HQ, including the use of Nagios plugins and configuration files, Come ready to share your own Nagios and Hyperic experiences, and be prepared to ask probing questions. Or bring the requirements for your proposed monitoring deployment and we'll compare and contrast it to this solution. What: BayLISA Monitoring SIG XIII: Nagios Integration in Hyperic HQ Who: Anyone interested in IT monitoring issues and tools (newbies particularly welcome!) When: Wednesday, Jan 9 2008, 7PM Where: GroundWork Open Source, 139 Townsend St., San Francisco How: 139 Townsend St. is very near AT&T Ballpark. It is one and a half blocks from the CalTrain Depot. Take the MUNI N, T or J trolley to 2nd and King (ballpark stop) or take the 30 or 45 bus (among others) crosstown. Free evening street parking can probably be found, and there are several fee-based parking garages around in case of parking difficulty. Cost: Free!! New Year's hot pizza, recent vintage bubbly refreshments (i.e. soda), and wintry snacks provided by GroundWork. We'll open up the doors at 6:30 or so and start the formal part of the meeting promptly at 7PM. RSVP (not necessary, but helpful): Peter Mui, pmui at groundworkopensource.com , 415-992-4573, www.groundworkopensource.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sigje at sigje.org Fri Jan 4 10:35:38 2008 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:35:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Southern California event, but some of you might be interested Message-ID: <20080104103511.X37547@slick.sigje.org> The Southern California Linux Expo (SCALE) is hosting the 2nd annual (WIOS) mini-conference on February 8, 2008 at the Los Angeles Airport (LAX) Westin. The purpose of the conference is to encourage women of all ages to be a part of the free and open source community. Join us in sharing women's accomplishments, success stories, and advancements on being involved in Free and Open Source projects and communities. Past attendees at this event have included women in technology, teachers, and parents of young girls. Registration: https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/reg6/ > Location: Los Angeles Airport Westin 5400 West Century Boulevard Los Angeles, California 90045 Phone: (310) 216-5858 Fax: (310) 417-4545 More information is available on the web site: http://socallinuxexpo.org/scale6x/conference-info/women-in-open-source/ From lgj at usenix.org Mon Jan 7 09:55:32 2008 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 09:55:32 -0800 Subject: USENIX Security '08 Call For Papers Reminder Message-ID: <47826794.1090801@usenix.org> --------------------------------- Call for Papers 17th USENIX Security Symposium July 28-August 1, 2008 San Jose, CA, USA http://www.usenix.org/sec08/cfpb/ Submissions Deadline: January 30, 2008 --------------------------------- Dear Colleague: I'm writing to let you know that the paper submissions site for the 17th USENIX Security Symposium (USENIX Security '08) is now open and can be found here: http://www.usenix.org/events/sec08/cfp/submit_form.html Please submit all work by January 30, 2008. Refereed paper submissions are solicited in all areas relating to systems and network security, including: * Adaptive security and system management * Analysis of network and security protocols * Applications of cryptographic techniques * Attacks against networks and machines * Authentication and authorization of users, systems, and applications * Automated tools for source code analysis * Botnets * Cryptographic implementation analysis and construction * Denial-of-service attacks and countermeasures * File and filesystem security * Firewall technologies * Forensics and diagnostics for security * Intrusion and anomaly detection and prevention * Malicious code analysis, anti-virus, anti-spyware * Network infrastructure security * Operating system security * Privacy-preserving (and -compromising) systems * Public key infrastructure * Rights management and copyright protection * Security architectures * Security in heterogeneous and large-scale environments * Security policy * Self-protecting and healing systems * Techniques for developing secure systems * Technologies for trustworthy computing * Usability and security * Voting systems analysis and security * Wireless and pervasive/ubiquitous computing security * Web security Please note that the USENIX Security Symposium is primarily a systems security conference. Papers whose contributions are primarily new cryptographic algorithms or protocols, cryptanalysis, electronic commerce primitives, etc., may not be appropriate for this conference. Submissions are due January 30, 2008, 11:59 p.m. PST (firm deadline). For more details on the submission process, please see the complete Call for Papers at: http://www.usenix.org/sec08/cfpb/ We look forward to receiving your submissions! Paul Van Oorschot, Carleton University USENIX Security '08 Program Chair sec08chair at usenix.org --------------------------------- Call for Papers 17th USENIX Security Symposium July 28-August 1, 2008 San Jose, CA, USA http://www.usenix.org/sec08/cfpb/ Submissions Deadline: January 30, 2008 --------------------------------- From afife at untangle.com Tue Jan 8 11:33:42 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:33:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Eric S. Raymond @ BALUG (Next Tuesday) Message-ID: <003601c8522d$679b8330$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> Howdy Folks: Eric S. Raymond will be kicking off the start of a great 2008 at The Bay Area Linux Users Group (BALUG) with a talk on January 15th. If you haven't been to BALUG in a while, this a great opportunity to check out what we're up to... and who knows you may just wind up eating dinner with Eric S. Raymond at your table. If you'd like to come, please RSVP: RSVP at balug.org Upcoming 2008 speakers include: Jan - Eric S. Raymond Feb - Bruce Perens March 24th (New Date) - Mark Shuttleworth April - Eric Allman May - Jeremy Allison June - Andrew Morton So why not signup for BALUG's extremely low volume announce list: http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org Meeting Details... 6:30pm January 15th, 2008 (Next Tuesday) Four Seas Restaurant 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Parking: http://www.portsmouthsquaregarage.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13 About BALUG: BALUG is lively gathering of Linux users & free software enthusiasts that combines great food, community & intimate access to featured speakers. We meet in the bar of the Four Seas Restaurant from 6:30pm. At 7pm, we share a family-style Chinese dinner, which is followed by our guest speaker. BALUG Mailing list Policy: BALUG promises not to abuse other LUGs mailing lists. Our current policy is to make one monthly announcement on other Bay Area LUGs mailing lists. If you feel this is not appropriate for a particular list, please tell us which list and what you feel would be a more appropriate policy for that list. Please send feedback to balug-contact at balug.org. ---------------------------------------- Andrew Fife Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway download.untangle.com 650.425.3327 (O) 415.806.6028 (C) afife at untangle.com From pmui at groundworkopensource.com Tue Jan 8 14:46:55 2008 From: pmui at groundworkopensource.com (Peter Mui) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:46:55 -0800 Subject: Reminder: BayLISA Monitoring SIG: Weds, Jan 9 2008, 7PM (tomorrow!) References: <200711150754.lAF7sc08014636@firewall.harker.com> Message-ID: <5BF7AB33-CD76-46A7-8BCA-9726DD7558F8@groundworkopensource.com> (Hi: Just a friendly reminder of the BayLISA Monitoring SIG, Weds, Jan 9 2008, 7PM. See the meeting announcement pasted below: feel free to post it and/or forward it along to anyone else who might be interested. Many thanks, and hope to see you there! -Peter) ================================================= Monitoring SIG XIII: Nagios Integration in Hyperic HQ John Mark Walker and Alex Ma from Hyperic will present on Nagios integration and using Hyperic HQ's new Nagios plugin, which provides Nagios-like functionality out of HQ, including the use of Nagios plugins and configuration files, Come ready to share your own Nagios and Hyperic experiences, and be prepared to ask probing questions. Or bring the requirements for your proposed monitoring deployment and we'll compare and contrast it to this solution. What: BayLISA Monitoring SIG XIII: Nagios Integration in Hyperic HQ Who: Anyone interested in IT monitoring issues and tools (newbies particularly welcome!) When: Wednesday, Jan 9 2008, 7PM Where: GroundWork Open Source, 139 Townsend St., San Francisco How: 139 Townsend St. is very near AT&T Ballpark. It is one and a half blocks from the CalTrain Depot. Take the MUNI N, T or J trolley to 2nd and King (ballpark stop) or take the 30 or 45 bus (among others) crosstown. Free evening street parking can probably be found, and there are several fee-based parking garages around in case of parking difficulty. Cost: Free!! New Year's hot pizza, recent vintage bubbly refreshments (i.e. soda), and wintry snacks provided by GroundWork. We'll open up the doors at 6:30 or so and start the formal part of the meeting promptly at 7PM. RSVP (not necessary, but helpful): Peter Mui, pmui at groundworkopensource.com , 415-992-4573, www.groundworkopensource.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sigje at sigje.org Thu Jan 10 17:14:47 2008 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:14:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: BayLISA January 2008 meeting - January 17, 7pm Message-ID: <20080110170959.I8147@slick.sigje.org> Date: Thursday, January 17, 7pm Location: Yahoo Inc Address: 700 First Avenue Bldg E Classroom 9 Real-Time Linux - Sven Dietrich The session examines the emergence of response-time criteria for task preemption and interrupt latency in the Linux Kernel. Several historical models for achieving real-time performance in Linux are acknowledged. The core presentation provides an in-depth analysis of the architecture of the Linux 2.6 RT (SLERT) Kernel, the core subsystem modifications introduced by the Real-Time Linux community project, and an overview of the relationship of SMP and Real-Time in the Linux Kernel. The session concludes with a brief commercial for part 2: Intricacies of SMP and Real-Time in Suse Linux Enterprise, and Q/A. Writing the resume to get THE job - short presentation Upcoming: February: Wikis March: Virtualization From sigje at sigje.org Mon Jan 21 17:58:54 2008 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:58:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cornerstones of Trust 2008 security conference Message-ID: <20080121175815.E82018@slick.sigje.org> Cornerstones of Trust 2008 security conference Foster City , CA on March 6, 2008. Join the Silicon Valley and San Francisco ISSA Chapters and the Bay Area InfraGard for the Cornerstones of Trust 2008 security conference in Foster City , CA on March 6, 2008. The theme of this year's conference is "Integrating Security into Your Corporate DNA". If you're in the San Francisco Bay Area/Silicon Valley security community, Cornerstones of Trust 2008 is the place to meet top security experts from the business and technology communities and learn about real world solutions. Come and find out how other companies have effectively integrated security into their corporate DNA fabric. Sponsors please review the attached document and register your company at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=8b_2foscIjcUNWNM_2bbHdzahw_3d_3d (copy this link into your browser) Registration is on a first come, first served basis. Keynote Speakers: Amit Yoran, CEO of, NetWitness Corp. He was the National Cyber Security Division director within the United States Department of Homeland Security. Richard Jackson, CSO of Chevron Four Parallel Tracks: Track One: Convergence of Physical and IT Security Track Two: Proactively Securing Core Business Functions Track Three: Security Smarts Metrics and Measures Track Four: Predictive Analytics for Risk Measurement Exhibitors 30 + Technology Vendors exhibiting the latest Security Solutions Food and Entertainment Great Food (includes Breakfast, Lunch and Snacks) End of Conference Reception Vendor Raffle Prizes Attendees - 200+ Bay Area security professionals CSO's and CISO's Information security managers and directors Security practitioners and specialists Systems analyst and architects Sponsors please review the attached document and register your company at: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=8b_2foscIjcUNWNM_2bbHdzahw_3d_3d (copy this link into your browser) We look forward to your participation. If you have any questions please contact Bill Danigelis. Regards, Bill Danigelis President at sv-issa.org 650-867-3152 President, Silicon Valley ISSA Chapter on behalf of The Cornerstones of Trust 2008 Conference Committee --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. From sigje at sigje.org Wed Jan 23 10:52:46 2008 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:52:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Looking for about 10-20 women for a WiT event.. Message-ID: <20080123104548.B26707@slick.sigje.org> Hey folks, This is a little odd, but I figure this is a good place to ask. I'm looking for about 10-20 potentially less techy stay at home or work from home moms/wives that are looking to learn more about using the internet more effectively. It's a Women in Technology event from yahoo and would run from 12:30-3pm on January 31. Lunch will be provided and it will include things like: quick keys on windos, mac, ie/firefox to accomplish tasks, mouse gestures for firefox, issues with browsers, and how to do effective searches for information. If you know someone who might be interested, please send them my contact details Jennifer Davis sigje at sigje.org Thanks! Jennifer From sigje at sigje.org Mon Jan 28 11:00:34 2008 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:00:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fwd: Call for Makers is now open for Maker Faire Bay Area 2008! (fwd) Message-ID: <20080128110014.F1326@slick.sigje.org> For those not on PenLUG this might be of interest: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:48:50 -0800 From: Bill Ward To: PenLUG Members Subject: [PenLUG] Fwd: Call for Makers is now open for Maker Faire Bay Area 2008! Let's start talking now about what we want to do for Maker Faire. I'm sure we're already in agreement there should be a train layout. But let's also not forget about the other factions besides town/trains... Space-heads - do you want to organize a moonbase? Just display some spaceships? Castle, anyone? Sculptures? Vignettes? Dioramas? Microscale? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sherry Huss Date: Jan 28, 2008 10:40 AM Subject: Call for Makers is now open for Maker Faire Bay Area 2008! To: bill at wards.net Dear Maker We are pleased to announce that the Call for Makers is now open for Maker Faire Bay Area 2008. More information about the upcoming Maker Faire and the application process can be found online: http://makerfaire.com/bayarea/2008/callformakers/ We are looking forward to Maker Faire and are excited to receive information about your project. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Thanks, Sherry Huss Director Maker Faire 707-827-7074 sherry at oreilly.com ------------------------------------------------ http://makerfaire.com/ ------------------------------------------------ P.S. Important dates to remember: January 31, 2008 ? Maker Faire Town Hall Exploratorium ? 7:00pm ? 8:30pm San Francisco Febrary 17, 2008 ? Maker Faire Tryouts (designed for new Makers and Makers that have projects that they would like to show us before the event) Exploratorium ? noon ? 4:00pm San Francisco Please email sherry at oreilly.com to reserve a space March 12, 2008 ? Deadline for applications Please note that space is limited so be sure to get your applications in by this date. Any applications received after 3/12/2008 will be put on a waiting list and allocated space based on availability March 19, 2008 ? Notification of Acceptance If at all possible, we will try to notify you as soon as we review your application which should be in advance of this date May 1, 2008 ? Maker Day More information will be shared about Maker Day in the upcoming weeks May 3 & 4, 2008 ? Maker Faire San Francisco Bay Area Show time! ================================================ For other assistance, please email webmaster at makezine.com. ================================================ O'Reilly Media, Inc. Maker Media Division 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA 95473 (707) 827-7000 ================================================ _______________________________________________ PenLUG-Members mailing list PenLUG-Members at penlug.org http://www.penlug.org/mailman/listinfo/penlug-members From bill at wards.net Mon Jan 28 14:14:32 2008 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:14:32 -0800 Subject: Call for Makers is now open for Maker Faire Bay Area 2008! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20080128110014.F1326@slick.sigje.org> References: <20080128110014.F1326@slick.sigje.org> Message-ID: <3d2fe1780801281414gc3fc7d7ic28ae5f61eb12dd0@mail.gmail.com> Damn, I sent this to the wrong club again. This wasn't meant for PenLUG - it was meant for my LEGO club, BayLUG. And now the error is made more public by you forwarding it! *blush* AH well. If you're into LEGO check out www.baylug.org. On Jan 28, 2008 11:00 AM, Jennifer wrote: > For those not on PenLUG this might be of interest: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:48:50 -0800 > From: Bill Ward > To: PenLUG Members > Subject: [PenLUG] Fwd: Call for Makers is now open for Maker Faire Bay Area > 2008! > > Let's start talking now about what we want to do for Maker Faire. > > I'm sure we're already in agreement there should be a train layout. > But let's also not forget about the other factions besides > town/trains... > > Space-heads - do you want to organize a moonbase? Just display some spaceships? > Castle, anyone? > Sculptures? Vignettes? Dioramas? Microscale? > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Sherry Huss > Date: Jan 28, 2008 10:40 AM > Subject: Call for Makers is now open for Maker Faire Bay Area 2008! > To: bill at wards.net > > > Dear Maker > > > We are pleased to announce that the Call for Makers is now open for > Maker Faire Bay Area 2008. > > More information about the upcoming Maker Faire and the application > process can be found online: > http://makerfaire.com/bayarea/2008/callformakers/ > > We are looking forward to Maker Faire and are excited to receive > information about your project. If you have any questions, please > feel free to contact me. > > Thanks, > > Sherry Huss > Director > Maker Faire > 707-827-7074 > sherry at oreilly.com > > ------------------------------------------------ > http://makerfaire.com/ > ------------------------------------------------ > > P.S. Important dates to remember: > > January 31, 2008 ? Maker Faire Town Hall > Exploratorium ? 7:00pm ? 8:30pm > San Francisco > > Febrary 17, 2008 ? Maker Faire Tryouts (designed for new Makers and > Makers that have projects that they would like to show us before the > event) > Exploratorium ? noon ? 4:00pm > San Francisco > Please email sherry at oreilly.com to reserve a space > > March 12, 2008 ? Deadline for applications > Please note that space is limited so be sure to get your applications > in by this date. Any applications received after 3/12/2008 will be > put on a waiting list and allocated space based on availability > > March 19, 2008 ? Notification of Acceptance > If at all possible, we will try to notify you as soon as we review > your application which should be in advance of this date > > May 1, 2008 ? Maker Day > More information will be shared about Maker Day in the upcoming weeks > > May 3 & 4, 2008 ? Maker Faire San Francisco Bay Area > Show time! > > ================================================ > > > > > > For other assistance, please email webmaster at makezine.com. > > ================================================ > O'Reilly Media, Inc. > Maker Media Division > 1005 Gravenstein Highway North > Sebastopol, CA 95473 > (707) 827-7000 > ================================================ > > _______________________________________________ > PenLUG-Members mailing list > PenLUG-Members at penlug.org > http://www.penlug.org/mailman/listinfo/penlug-members From iennae at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 14:31:08 2008 From: iennae at gmail.com (Jennifer Davis) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:31:08 -0800 Subject: Call for Makers is now open for Maker Faire Bay Area 2008! (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3d2fe1780801281414gc3fc7d7ic28ae5f61eb12dd0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080128110014.F1326@slick.sigje.org> <3d2fe1780801281414gc3fc7d7ic28ae5f61eb12dd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: But Bill, the maker faire would be of interest to baylisa anyways :) I don't know, maybe some folks will be interested in making stuff with the legos too :) On Jan 28, 2008 2:14 PM, Bill Ward wrote: > Damn, I sent this to the wrong club again. > This wasn't meant for PenLUG - it was meant for my LEGO club, BayLUG. > And now the error is made more public by you forwarding it! *blush* > > AH well. > > If you're into LEGO check out www.baylug.org. > > > On Jan 28, 2008 11:00 AM, Jennifer wrote: > > For those not on PenLUG this might be of interest: > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:48:50 -0800 > > From: Bill Ward > > To: PenLUG Members > > Subject: [PenLUG] Fwd: Call for Makers is now open for Maker Faire Bay Area > > 2008! > > > > Let's start talking now about what we want to do for Maker Faire. > > > > I'm sure we're already in agreement there should be a train layout. > > But let's also not forget about the other factions besides > > town/trains... > > > > Space-heads - do you want to organize a moonbase? Just display some spaceships? > > Castle, anyone? > > Sculptures? Vignettes? Dioramas? Microscale? > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Sherry Huss > > Date: Jan 28, 2008 10:40 AM > > Subject: Call for Makers is now open for Maker Faire Bay Area 2008! > > To: bill at wards.net > > > > > > Dear Maker > > > > > > We are pleased to announce that the Call for Makers is now open for > > Maker Faire Bay Area 2008. > > > > More information about the upcoming Maker Faire and the application > > process can be found online: > > http://makerfaire.com/bayarea/2008/callformakers/ > > > > We are looking forward to Maker Faire and are excited to receive > > information about your project. If you have any questions, please > > feel free to contact me. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sherry Huss > > Director > > Maker Faire > > 707-827-7074 > > sherry at oreilly.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > http://makerfaire.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > > P.S. Important dates to remember: > > > > January 31, 2008 ? Maker Faire Town Hall > > Exploratorium ? 7:00pm ? 8:30pm > > San Francisco > > > > Febrary 17, 2008 ? Maker Faire Tryouts (designed for new Makers and > > Makers that have projects that they would like to show us before the > > event) > > Exploratorium ? noon ? 4:00pm > > San Francisco > > Please email sherry at oreilly.com to reserve a space > > > > March 12, 2008 ? Deadline for applications > > Please note that space is limited so be sure to get your applications > > in by this date. Any applications received after 3/12/2008 will be > > put on a waiting list and allocated space based on availability > > > > March 19, 2008 ? Notification of Acceptance > > If at all possible, we will try to notify you as soon as we review > > your application which should be in advance of this date > > > > May 1, 2008 ? Maker Day > > More information will be shared about Maker Day in the upcoming weeks > > > > May 3 & 4, 2008 ? Maker Faire San Francisco Bay Area > > Show time! > > > > ================================================ > > > > > > > > > > > > For other assistance, please email webmaster at makezine.com. > > > > ================================================ > > O'Reilly Media, Inc. > > Maker Media Division > > 1005 Gravenstein Highway North > > Sebastopol, CA 95473 > > (707) 827-7000 > > ================================================ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PenLUG-Members mailing list > > PenLUG-Members at penlug.org > > http://www.penlug.org/mailman/listinfo/penlug-members > -- Jennifer Davis From guy at extragalactic.net Wed Jan 30 15:06:33 2008 From: guy at extragalactic.net (Guy B. Purcell) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:06:33 -0800 Subject: Call for Makers is now open for Maker Faire Bay Area 2008! (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: <20080128110014.F1326@slick.sigje.org> <3d2fe1780801281414gc3fc7d7ic28ae5f61eb12dd0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <580D1BD3-E403-41F5-9BB9-5AF8086B1B55@extragalactic.net> On Jan 28, 2008, at 2:31 PM, Jennifer Davis wrote: > But Bill, the maker faire would be of interest to baylisa anyways :) > I don't know, maybe some folks will be interested in making stuff with > the legos too :) Yay--Legos! One of the best parts of having a kid was that I got to play with Legos & nobody gave it a second thought :^D Come to think of it--this faire looks like it'd be a lot of fun for kids, for all you parents on the list! -Guy