From pmui at groundworkopensource.com Tue May 1 14:58:48 2007 From: pmui at groundworkopensource.com (Peter Mui) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 14:58:48 -0700 Subject: You're Invited: Monitoring SIG, Weds May 9 7PM Message-ID: (Hi: You're invited to the BayLISA Monitoring SIG, Weds May 9, 7PM. See the meeting announcement below: feel free to post it and/or forward it along to anyone else who might be interested. See you there! -Peter)) ================================================= May '07 BayLISA Monitoring SIG: Mini- to Mega-Monitoring Between the two presenters at the next Monitoring SIG we'll span the breadth and complexity of monitoring sites: 1) Bob will outline the modest needs of his "two servers at the colo" configuration: he doesn't have any monitoring in place yet, so we'll brainstorm about what he should deploy and how. 2) Charity from Linden Labs will discuss the current challenges and future plans for the three-and-a-half sys admins managing and monitoring the 4000+ servers(!) that sustain Second Life. We'll use these two examples to frame how to approach setting up and maintaining a monitoring setup. Newbies: bring your thorniest (or most basic) monitoring questions and issues. Not-So-Newbies: come prepared to share your experiences re. successful deployment, knowledge of specific tools and techniques, etc. What: BayLISA Monitoring SIG VII: Mini- to Mega-Monitoring Who: Anyone interested in IT monitoring issues and tools (newbies particularly welcome!) When: Wednesday, May 9 2007, 7PM Where: GroundWork Open Source, 139 Townsend St., San Francisco How: 139 Townsend St. is very near AT&T Park. It is two blocks from the CalTrain Depot. Take the MUNI T (or J) trolley to 2nd and King (ballpark stop) or take the 30 or 45 bus (among others) crosstown. Free evening street parking can probably be found because the Giants are playing an afternoon game (vs. Mets, 12:35 start) and it should be over by the time the SIG starts. Cost: Free!! Pizza pizza pizza, drinks drinks drinks, and snacks snacks snacks will be provided by GroundWork. We'll open up the doors at 6:30 or so and start the formal part of the meeting promptly at 7PM. 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I've been looking around and sales droids seem to fixate on trying to recover data from the filesystem which is exactly what I don't need. -Phil/CERisE From mark at marksportal.net Fri May 11 11:23:24 2007 From: mark at marksportal.net (Mark Stenstadvold) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:23:24 -0700 Subject: Label Makers Message-ID: <4644B49C.6030009@marksportal.net> I believe several of you own the P-Touch PT-1650 Label Maker. I recently purchased one, hoping to utilize the ROT-REP feature, however I discovered that the naming convention I use is too long to fit in that mode. So I've opted to try another label standard. I use the NORMAL setting and print two lines on one label: NEAR: -port FAR: -eth0 Then I reverse it for the other end of the cable NEAR:-eth0 FAR: -port The issue I'm having is that at times I have 10(x2)+ labels that I have to make and it's very slow going using the small interface. What I'd like to do is enter in everything in Excel, upload it to the P-Touch and then print it out, however I am unable to figure out how to print out a label with two lines using the provided S/W. Any suggestions? Maybe I'm using the wrong tool for the job? Thanks! --Mark. From david at catwhisker.org Mon May 14 05:20:54 2007 From: david at catwhisker.org (David Wolfskill) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 05:20:54 -0700 Subject: What does a responsible admin do if ... Message-ID: <20070514122054.GF64542@bunrab.catwhisker.org> ... undesirable behavior is seen from a netblock for which there is no email contact information? Granted, this isn't likely a scenario where "one size (approach) fits all," but the prospect of reading log entries -- and this was for over 3800 attempts to logiin to my SSH server over a 5-hour interval -- over the phone would appear to be daunting under the best of circumstances, and for one with as strong an antipathy for telephones as I have, it would be torture. Oh, yeah: I have 2 log entries per attempt (one from the packet filter; the other from the SSH daemon). And since the hypothetical phone call would be to a different country, that decreases the appeal significantly. Well, that, as well as me not being conversant in the dominant languages in the country in question (though I admit I have a friend who is conversant in at least one of those). (The IP address in question was 213.176.96.5. I expect that folks with sufficient interest can find out more about it.) I've taken a certain degree of evasive action, but I'll not disclose its nature just yet, so as to avoid skewing responses. :-} Peace, david -- David H. Wolfskill david at catwhisker.org Believe SORBS at your own risk: 63.193.123.122 has been static since Aug 1999. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available URL: From asheesh at asheesh.org Mon May 14 07:03:20 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: What does a responsible admin do if ... In-Reply-To: <20070514122054.GF64542@bunrab.catwhisker.org> References: <20070514122054.GF64542@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 May 2007, David Wolfskill wrote: > ... undesirable behavior is seen from a netblock for which there is no > email contact information? In my opinion, you do the same thing you would normally do: Use a system like fail2ban to automatically block IPs that repeatedly fail to authenticate. When the attempts stop for a short while, the ban will lift, but repeated attempts again will restart the ban. After all, if they're failing to authenticate, what's the problem? (-; You could try Googling the RIPE WHOIS info results; the domain seems to be mut.ac.ir which has an email address listed, at least. -- Asheesh. -- Nobody knows the trouble I've been. From ahorn at deorth.org Mon May 14 07:20:22 2007 From: ahorn at deorth.org (Alan Horn) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What does a responsible admin do if ... In-Reply-To: <20070514122054.GF64542@bunrab.catwhisker.org> References: <20070514122054.GF64542@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: <20070514071955.P63359@slick.sigje.org> On Mon, 14 May 2007, David Wolfskill wrote: > ... undesirable behavior is seen from a netblock for which there is no > email contact information? > > Granted, this isn't likely a scenario where "one size (approach) > fits all," but the prospect of reading log entries -- and this was > for over 3800 attempts to logiin to my SSH server over a 5-hour ... personally, I get this every day and ignore it. Cheers, Al From cottrell at slac.stanford.edu Mon May 14 07:57:23 2007 From: cottrell at slac.stanford.edu (Cottrell, Les) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:57:23 -0700 Subject: What does a responsible admin do if ... In-Reply-To: References: <20070514122054.GF64542@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: <35C208A168A04B4EB99D1E13F2A4DB01025EAA88@exch-mail1.win.slac.stanford.edu> Also http://www.geoiptool.com/en/?IP=213.176.96.5 shows it as being in Iran/Tehran. However pinging 213.176.96.5 from Vancouver shows min-RTT (5 pings) of 27ms, Ottawa 94ms, Oak Ridge 67ms, Long Island 94ms, ~140ms from UK. Thus it would appear to be in N. America. It is also not pingable (times out with no echoes) from many sites (e.g. SLAC.Stanford.EDU). On the other hand traceroute from SLAC shows the route with router names in Tehran and RTTs consistent with Iran and 213.176.96.5 identifies itself at the end hop as mail.cressnet.ir. Also mut.ac.ir shows up (from SLAC) as an unknown host and does not ping from any of 50 sites worldwide nor does mail.cressnet.ir. -----Original Message----- From: owner-baylisa at baylisa.org [mailto:owner-baylisa at baylisa.org] On Behalf Of Asheesh Laroia Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:03 AM To: David Wolfskill Cc: baylisa at baylisa.org Subject: Re: What does a responsible admin do if ... On Mon, 14 May 2007, David Wolfskill wrote: > ... undesirable behavior is seen from a netblock for which there is no > email contact information? In my opinion, you do the same thing you would normally do: Use a system like fail2ban to automatically block IPs that repeatedly fail to authenticate. When the attempts stop for a short while, the ban will lift, but repeated attempts again will restart the ban. After all, if they're failing to authenticate, what's the problem? (-; You could try Googling the RIPE WHOIS info results; the domain seems to be mut.ac.ir which has an email address listed, at least. -- Asheesh. -- Nobody knows the trouble I've been. From cottrell at slac.stanford.edu Mon May 14 08:07:00 2007 From: cottrell at slac.stanford.edu (Cottrell, Les) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:07:00 -0700 Subject: What does a responsible admin do if ... References: <20070514122054.GF64542@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: <35C208A168A04B4EB99D1E13F2A4DB01025EAA89@exch-mail1.win.slac.stanford.edu> BTW although it does not respond to ping, mail.cressnet.ir does repond to port 80 (www, try http://mail.cressnet.ir/src/login.php) with an RTT of ~500ms from SLAC, port 25 (SMTP), port 22 (ssh) but not ports 37, 79, 53, 7. -----Original Message----- From: Cottrell, Les Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:57 AM To: 'Asheesh Laroia'; David Wolfskill Cc: baylisa at baylisa.org; Faran Javed Subject: RE: What does a responsible admin do if ... Also http://www.geoiptool.com/en/?IP=213.176.96.5 shows it as being in Iran/Tehran. However pinging 213.176.96.5 from Vancouver shows min-RTT (5 pings) of 27ms, Ottawa 94ms, Oak Ridge 67ms, Long Island 94ms, ~140ms from UK. Thus it would appear to be in N. America. It is also not pingable (times out with no echoes) from many sites (e.g. SLAC.Stanford.EDU). On the other hand traceroute from SLAC shows the route with router names in Tehran and RTTs consistent with Iran and 213.176.96.5 identifies itself at the end hop as mail.cressnet.ir. Also mut.ac.ir shows up (from SLAC) as an unknown host and does not ping from any of 50 sites worldwide nor does mail.cressnet.ir. -----Original Message----- From: owner-baylisa at baylisa.org [mailto:owner-baylisa at baylisa.org] On Behalf Of Asheesh Laroia Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:03 AM To: David Wolfskill Cc: baylisa at baylisa.org Subject: Re: What does a responsible admin do if ... On Mon, 14 May 2007, David Wolfskill wrote: > ... undesirable behavior is seen from a netblock for which there is no > email contact information? In my opinion, you do the same thing you would normally do: Use a system like fail2ban to automatically block IPs that repeatedly fail to authenticate. When the attempts stop for a short while, the ban will lift, but repeated attempts again will restart the ban. After all, if they're failing to authenticate, what's the problem? (-; You could try Googling the RIPE WHOIS info results; the domain seems to be mut.ac.ir which has an email address listed, at least. -- Asheesh. -- Nobody knows the trouble I've been. From bill at wards.net Tue May 15 10:57:44 2007 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:57:44 -0700 Subject: PenLUG next week (NEW LOCATION): Building Scalable, Reliable Web Services using Open Source Technologies Message-ID: <3d2fe1780705151057s463f250dxadb603632280b543@mail.gmail.com> Join us on Thursday, May 24 for a presentation by Brett Thomas on "Building Scalable, Reliable Web Services using Open Source Technologies." Date: Thursday, May 24th, 2007 Time: meeting 7:00 - 9:00 PM, social/networking until 10 PM Location: Bayshore Technology Park 1300 Island Drive Redwood City, CA 94065 Suite 106 - Training Room (two doors down from the room we met in last time) Meeting room and food/drinks (FREE PIZZA!) courtesy of Qualys. Thanks, Qualys!! See www.penlug.org for more information, including directions (both driving and public transit). If you can, please RSVP by mailing rsvp at penlug.org to indicate you are coming and how many people you're bringing with you. It's not required but it helps us plan the right amount of food/drinks etc. We encourage you to take public transit (best bet: bicycle via Caltrain) or carpool to this meeting. Send mail to carpool at penlug.org for help finding a carpool buddy. Indicate where you are coming from / returning to, and whether you are willing/able to drive or not. About this month's presentation: Using real-world examples, learn how to design a complex, scalable web services system using open source technologies such as Linux, Apache, Perl, SOAP and Postgres. Discover the unexpected challenges as well as the rich opportunities available. Overall approach will be adaptable to any similar open source platforms. Before Vindicia, Mr. Thomas was Executive Vice President of Technology for EMusic, joining Mr. Hoffman shortly after the company was founded. While at EMusic, Mr. Thomas led a team of sixty-five employees and oversaw the technical integration of several geographically diverse enterprises utilizing multiple platforms. Mr. Thomas has been a professional software developer since 1989, and has management, contract and technical experience through roles at Network Associates, PGP, NCR, MCI and IBM. Mr. Thomas has particular expertise in the design and implementation of high transaction volume e-commerce systems, large-payload download infrastructures, conversion of paper documents to electronic formats, encryption and security. Note: The meeting will be in Bayshore Technology Park, Suite 106 - Training Room (same building, two doors down from the room where we met in April). The meeting is hosted by Qualys, whose offices are located in the Bayshore Technology Park. The meeting room is not, however, in the Qualys office itself. From guy at extragalactic.net Wed May 16 09:33:43 2007 From: guy at extragalactic.net (Guy B. Purcell) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 09:33:43 -0700 Subject: Hard drive recovery In-Reply-To: <20070508195041.GA29962@boogeyman> References: <20070508195041.GA29962@boogeyman> Message-ID: On May 8, 2007, at 12:50 PM, cerise at armory.com wrote: > Any recommendations for a place that'll recover data from a drive > suffering > click death? It's a drive from an LVM, so I'm really looking for a > place > that'll do a sector-by-sector recovery and transfer to a good drive. > > I've been looking around and sales droids seem to fixate on trying > to recover > data from the filesystem which is exactly what I don't need. Best I've heard of at recovery *in general* is DriveSavers[0], although I've never had to use 'em myself. They seem to take personal pride in meeting difficult challenges (like good sysadmins :^) I just took a quick tour through their website and see that they do offer RAID recovery nowadays. -Guy [0] From ahorn at deorth.org Wed May 16 23:19:29 2007 From: ahorn at deorth.org (Alan Horn) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: May general meeting details (TOMORROW NIGHT!) In-Reply-To: <20070327114733.T63359@slick.sigje.org> References: <20070327114733.T63359@slick.sigje.org> Message-ID: <20070516220232.S63359@slick.sigje.org> Bah, once again the world conspires to prevent me sending out adequate notices ahead of time about our meetings. We do actually have a person assigned to mutually poke board members to get this stuff out, so we're trying to work on a self-correcting system here :) The May General meeting will be held at our usual location at Yahoo Sunnyvale Location: Yahoo Classroom 9, Building E 701 First Avenue Sunnyvale, CA 94089 Date: Thursday May 17th 2007 (Yes, tomorrow night) Time: 7:00-10:00pm Daylight savings time upgrades in a huge environment - Jan Schaumann ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This month will be *really* good (and I'm not just saying that to drum up last minute attendance). Jan Schaumann will be presenting an overview of the work he did at Yahoo to ensure 120,000 servers were ready to deal with the altered daylight savings date. The methods used have relevance to any large-scale upgrades and should be applicable to lots of situations you encounter regularly. Jan is one of the sharpest sysadmins I know, so expect the talk to be very well-informed. Thanks, Alan Details also available at http://www.baylisa.org Directions to Yahoo are available at http://yhoo.client.shareholder.com/press/address.cfm (turn left into Bldg E, not right into Bldg D.) From lgj at usenix.org Fri May 18 14:55:54 2007 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:55:54 -0700 Subject: Top 5 Reasons to Attend USENIX '07 Message-ID: <464E20EA.9050208@usenix.org> ---------------------------------------------- Top 5 Reasons to Attend the 2007 USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 17-22, 2007, Santa Clara, CA http://www.usenix.org/usenix07/progb ---------------------------------------------- USENIX '07 offers a cost-effective, one-stop shop for the latest in IT training, break-throughs, and systems research. Check out the top 5 reasons to join us in Santa Clara, CA, June 17-22, 2007: 1. Top-notch training: Highly respected experts provide you with new information and skills you can take back to work tomorrow. Topics include: -- Richard Bejtlich on TCP/IP Weapons School, Layers 2-3 -- Peter Baer Galvin on Solaris 10 Security Features -- AEleen Frisch on Administering Linux in Production Environments -- Steve VanDevender on High-Capacity Email System Design To view the entire training program, see: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix07/training 2. Invited Talks that feature industry luminaries discussing timely and important topics, such as: -- Keynote Address by Mendel Rosenblum of Stanford University, "The Impact of Virtualization on Computing Systems," -- Plenary Closing by Mary Lou Jepsen, One Laptop per Child, "Crossing the Digital Divide: The Latest Efforts from One Laptop per Child" -- Rob Lanphier, Linden Lab, "Second Life" -- And more! http://www.usenix.org/usenix07/ITs 3. You'll see it here first: -- The latest developments in cutting-edge systems research in the Refereed Papers track. http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix07/tech -- An introduction to interesting new or ongoing work at the Poster Session. http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix07/activities.html#poster 4. Answers to your toughest questions: -- Guru Is In sessions feature experts who come prepared to respond to your most burning technical questions on hot topics. The full list of topics will be announced soon! http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix07/tech 5. The chance to mingle with industry leaders: -- Evening events such as the Birds-of-a-Feather (BoF) sessions offer additional opportunities to network with peers to gain that all-important "insider" IT knowledge. http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix07/bofs.html And that's just the beginning. Visit http://www.usenix.org/usenix06/progb to see the full list of offerings. Don't forget: -- Register at the headquarters hotel by May 29, 2007, to receive the discounted hotel room rate: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix07/hotel.html -- Register by June 1 and save up to $300! http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix07/registration -- Take advantage of the multiple employee discount for groups sending 5 or more: http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix07/registration/#multi ---------------------------------------------- 2007 USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 17-22, 2007, Santa Clara, CA http://www.usenix.org/usenix07/progb Early Bird Registration Deadline: June 1, 2007 ----------------------------------------------- From bill at wards.net Thu May 24 07:08:17 2007 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:08:17 -0700 Subject: PenLUG tonight (NEW LOCATION): Building Scalable, Reliable Web Services using Open Source Technologies Message-ID: <3d2fe1780705240708t42c75846h8f1a964e244ba57d@mail.gmail.com> Join us TONIGHT, Thursday, May 24 for a presentation by Brett Thomas on "Building Scalable, Reliable Web Services using Open Source Technologies." Date: Thursday, May 24th, 2007 Time: meeting 7:00 - 9:00 PM, social/networking until 10 PM Location: Bayshore Technology Park 1300 Island Drive Redwood City, CA 94065 Suite 106 - Training Room (two doors down from the room we met in last time) Meeting room and food/drinks (FREE PIZZA!) courtesy of Qualys. Thanks, Qualys!! See www.penlug.org for more information, including directions (both driving and public transit). If you can, please RSVP by mailing rsvp at penlug.org to indicate you are coming and how many people you're bringing with you. It's not required but it helps us plan the right amount of food/drinks etc. We encourage you to take public transit (best bet: bicycle via Caltrain) or carpool to this meeting. Send mail to carpool at penlug.org for help finding a carpool buddy. Indicate where you are coming from / returning to, and whether you are willing/able to drive or not. About this month's presentation: Using real-world examples, learn how to design a complex, scalable web services system using open source technologies such as Linux, Apache, Perl, SOAP and Postgres. Discover the unexpected challenges as well as the rich opportunities available. Overall approach will be adaptable to any similar open source platforms. Before Vindicia, Mr. Thomas was Executive Vice President of Technology for EMusic, joining Mr. Hoffman shortly after the company was founded. While at EMusic, Mr. Thomas led a team of sixty-five employees and oversaw the technical integration of several geographically diverse enterprises utilizing multiple platforms. Mr. Thomas has been a professional software developer since 1989, and has management, contract and technical experience through roles at Network Associates, PGP, NCR, MCI and IBM. Mr. Thomas has particular expertise in the design and implementation of high transaction volume e-commerce systems, large-payload download infrastructures, conversion of paper documents to electronic formats, encryption and security. Note: The meeting will be in Bayshore Technology Park, Suite 106 - Training Room (same building, two doors down from the room where we met in April). The meeting is hosted by Qualys, whose offices are located in the Bayshore Technology Park. The meeting room is not, however, in the Qualys office itself. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ulf at Alameda.net Mon May 28 23:05:54 2007 From: ulf at Alameda.net (Ulf Zimmermann) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:05:54 -0700 Subject: Restore/Recovery or OS CD for Toshiba Satellite 1415-S173? Message-ID: <20070529060554.GZ90777@evil.alameda.net> Does anyone have by chance the restore/recovery cd or the Windows XP Home cd which came with a Toshiba Satellite 1415-S173 (about 4 years old)? Trying to wipe the system before sending it for someone in Indonisia. Would prefer not spending extra money on a OS license. -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 You can find my resume at: http://www.Alameda.net/~ulf/resume.html From david at catwhisker.org Tue May 29 04:57:39 2007 From: david at catwhisker.org (David Wolfskill) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 04:57:39 -0700 Subject: Amusing httpd log entry Message-ID: <20070529115739.GP5698@bunrab.catwhisker.org> I'm in the habit of checking the logs on my home systems each morning; occasionally, something of interest turns up. This morning, among that category I find: 68.13.83.198 - - [28/May/2007:11:54:22 -0700] "GET /~david/Canyon/wireless.html HTTP/1.1" 200 8002 "http://www.google.com/search?q=how+can+I+get+around+my+neighbors+firewall%3F&hl=en&start=10&sa=N" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; ESB{E94DC8CF-C900-4D13-B14C-C7D40C52F6BF}; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)" Right. :-} Well, I'm rather relieved that I'm highly confident that there was nothing on my Web server that was likely to actually help satisfy the stated request. (I know; I'm no fun. Eh.) Peace, david -- David H. Wolfskill david at catwhisker.org Anything and everything is a (potential) cat toy. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 195 bytes Desc: not available URL: From guy at extragalactic.net Tue May 29 20:59:35 2007 From: guy at extragalactic.net (Guy B. Purcell) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:59:35 -0700 Subject: Amusing httpd log entry In-Reply-To: <20070529115739.GP5698@bunrab.catwhisker.org> References: <20070529115739.GP5698@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: On May 29, 2007, at 4:57 AM, David Wolfskill wrote: > 68.13.83.198 - - [28/May/2007:11:54:22 -0700] "GET /~david/Canyon/ > wireless.html HTTP/1.1" 200 8002 "http://www.google.com/search?q=how > +can+I+get+around+my+neighbors+firewall%3F&hl=en&start=10&sa=N" > "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; ESB{E94DC8CF- > C900-4D13-B14C-C7D40C52F6BF}; .NET CLR 1.0.3705)" Heh--pretty funny, indeed. S/he must have been persistent: your page isn't in the first three pages of links returned. -Guy