From freiheit at socosa.org Mon Oct 2 10:28:31 2006 From: freiheit at socosa.org (Eric Eisenhart) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:28:31 -0700 Subject: SoCoSA Meeting this Wednesday: MySQL Backup and Recovery Manager Message-ID: <20061002172831.GB9935@atlantic.devin.com> Details: http://socosa.org/meeting/2006/10 When: Wednesday, October 4th. Food start: 6pm; show up by 6:10 to get in on a food order; probably pizza Talk start: 7pm Topic: Backup and Recovery manager for MySQL Location: O'Reilly in Sebastopol (see URL for map) As MySQL gets used in increasingly critical and 24/7 applications, its live backup has become increasingly important for administrators. Zmanda Recovery Manager for MySQL is a simple to use tool to do MySQL backups and recovery. It provides enterprise level backup features such as scheduling, reporting and notification. The talk will cover the details of project (code is available under GPL), product features and roadmap. We will also talk about choices and challenges while backing up a MySQL based environment. Speaker: Paddy Sreenivasan of zmanda. Paddy has worked on multiple open source projects in areas of system availability, backup and recovery. Currently he's focussed on database as well as system backup and recovery projects. -- Eric Eisenhart SoCoSA Founder and President IRC: freiheit on irc.socosa.org AIM: falschfreiheit From nicole at unixgirl.com Mon Oct 2 16:27:10 2006 From: nicole at unixgirl.com (Nicole) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help in selecting router please In-Reply-To: <4511D30F.4070600@badapple.net> Message-ID: <20061002232710.7175520F22@krell.webweaver.net> Sorry for the late reply. Bogged down with other issues. On 20-Sep-06 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that kashani said: > Nicole wrote: >> Hi >> I was wondering if anyone could assist in helping me with a problem. >> >> I have bandwidth that is exceeding our 1Gb fiber drop from our >> colo provider, so I need to add another. So do so, I will need to move to a >> router or routing switch that can use BGP (as that is all that our colo >> providor >> offers) to support load balancing across the two fiber drops. Then provide >> at >> least 2 preferably 4 or more 1Gb copper or fiber ports to connect to our >> switches. >> >> Once we start talking multiple gigabit routing, I am in over my head and >> the >> costs seem extreemly high. I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a >> solution >> or router that may be less than stratosferic in cost. > > I was last a routing geek in 2001 and haven't really kept up with the > technology. However I don't think there is enough info here about your > infrastructure to make a decent suggestion. Here's a couple of questions > to get things going and some router ramblings. > > Are you getting a connection to a different provider or the same provider? The bgp would simply be to balance two connections from the same providor. > If it's the same provider you can etherchannel or whatever your vendors > calls it from your gear to their gear with your current switch. Not a > terribly fancy solution, but it should work if both sides are reasonably > modern. Sadly not an option for them since we are connected to their main router to get that level of bandwidth. > If it is two providers you're pretty much stuck with BGP. That leads us > to the next question, do you need/want full BGP routes? Not forseable in the near future. > I might consider asking for a default route from each provider, > 0.0.0.0/0, and then 10-15k of their peering routes rather than the whole > 120-150k routes a full table could be. Your total BGP table should be no > more than 40-50k routes which could fit into 32MB IIRC. That means you > can get a cheap(er) routing engine w/128-256MB for your current big dumb > switch. Of course all that depends on which big dumb switch you already > own. I wouldn't do full routes with two providers with anything less > than 128MB for the record and more RAM is always better. > > Are you going to be pushing significantly more traffic in the near future? That is our hope of course, but no one can ever say how soon. > If yes, it might be worth your time to have a real routing > infrastructure rather than half assing it. Full BGP tables allows you to > pick better and hopefully faster routes, load balance across many > providers, which leads to fault tolerance at least at the routing layer. > Additionally it allows you to negotiate bandwidth prices and gives you > the knobs to use your bandwidth as effectively as possible. Right now I have been told find the best but cheapest solution. > You can also go the opposite way and keep a smaller network and use a > content delivery network if you're all http or something similar. CDNs > are often no cheaper than doing yourself, but require less initial cash > and personnel. CDN's are expensive and also usually require either bulk payments for bandwidth, used or not, or per MB of transfer which would be too expensive in the long run. So far I have been given a quote for either a cisco 6504-E or a foundry fastiron super-x. Both at about 25K. If anyone else is in the business and would like to quote on this, please let me know. Other comments and suggestions of course welcomed! Thanks! Nicole > Ramin -- ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- From cat at reptiles.org Mon Oct 2 17:43:02 2006 From: cat at reptiles.org (Cat Okita) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Help in selecting router please In-Reply-To: <20061002232710.7175520F22@krell.webweaver.net> References: <20061002232710.7175520F22@krell.webweaver.net> Message-ID: <20061002204054.R36085@skink.reptiles.org> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Nicole wrote: > The bgp would simply be to balance two connections from the same providor. ... so a private ASN, and two separate circuits... > Sadly not an option for them since we are connected to their main router to > get that level of bandwidth. Will you have both circuits off their main router? > So far I have been given a quote for either a cisco 6504-E or a foundry > fastiron super-x. Both at about 25K. I'd probably buy the Cisco - I've seen far too many unique 'features' out of Foundry[0]. cheers! [0] ... and I say this having run into plenty of 'features' from Cisco... ========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now." From nicole at unixgirl.com Mon Oct 2 16:27:10 2006 From: nicole at unixgirl.com (Nicole) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help in selecting router please In-Reply-To: <4511D30F.4070600@badapple.net> Message-ID: <20061002232710.7175520F22@krell.webweaver.net> Sorry for the late reply. Bogged down with other issues. On 20-Sep-06 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that kashani said: > Nicole wrote: >> Hi >> I was wondering if anyone could assist in helping me with a problem. >> >> I have bandwidth that is exceeding our 1Gb fiber drop from our >> colo provider, so I need to add another. So do so, I will need to move to a >> router or routing switch that can use BGP (as that is all that our colo >> providor >> offers) to support load balancing across the two fiber drops. Then provide >> at >> least 2 preferably 4 or more 1Gb copper or fiber ports to connect to our >> switches. >> >> Once we start talking multiple gigabit routing, I am in over my head and >> the >> costs seem extreemly high. I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a >> solution >> or router that may be less than stratosferic in cost. > > I was last a routing geek in 2001 and haven't really kept up with the > technology. However I don't think there is enough info here about your > infrastructure to make a decent suggestion. Here's a couple of questions > to get things going and some router ramblings. > > Are you getting a connection to a different provider or the same provider? The bgp would simply be to balance two connections from the same providor. > If it's the same provider you can etherchannel or whatever your vendors > calls it from your gear to their gear with your current switch. Not a > terribly fancy solution, but it should work if both sides are reasonably > modern. Sadly not an option for them since we are connected to their main router to get that level of bandwidth. > If it is two providers you're pretty much stuck with BGP. That leads us > to the next question, do you need/want full BGP routes? Not forseable in the near future. > I might consider asking for a default route from each provider, > 0.0.0.0/0, and then 10-15k of their peering routes rather than the whole > 120-150k routes a full table could be. Your total BGP table should be no > more than 40-50k routes which could fit into 32MB IIRC. That means you > can get a cheap(er) routing engine w/128-256MB for your current big dumb > switch. Of course all that depends on which big dumb switch you already > own. I wouldn't do full routes with two providers with anything less > than 128MB for the record and more RAM is always better. > > Are you going to be pushing significantly more traffic in the near future? That is our hope of course, but no one can ever say how soon. > If yes, it might be worth your time to have a real routing > infrastructure rather than half assing it. Full BGP tables allows you to > pick better and hopefully faster routes, load balance across many > providers, which leads to fault tolerance at least at the routing layer. > Additionally it allows you to negotiate bandwidth prices and gives you > the knobs to use your bandwidth as effectively as possible. Right now I have been told find the best but cheapest solution. > You can also go the opposite way and keep a smaller network and use a > content delivery network if you're all http or something similar. CDNs > are often no cheaper than doing yourself, but require less initial cash > and personnel. CDN's are expensive and also usually require either bulk payments for bandwidth, used or not, or per MB of transfer which would be too expensive in the long run. So far I have been given a quote for either a cisco 6504-E or a foundry fastiron super-x. Both at about 25K. If anyone else is in the business and would like to quote on this, please let me know. Other comments and suggestions of course welcomed! Thanks! Nicole > Ramin -- ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- From nicole at unixgirl.com Mon Oct 2 18:10:40 2006 From: nicole at unixgirl.com (Nicole) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:10:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help in selecting router please In-Reply-To: <20061002204054.R36085@skink.reptiles.org> Message-ID: <20061003011040.9D6F320F23@krell.webweaver.net> On 03-Oct-06 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that Cat Okita said: > On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Nicole wrote: >> The bgp would simply be to balance two connections from the same providor. > > ... so a private ASN, and two separate circuits... > >> Sadly not an option for them since we are connected to their main router to >> get that level of bandwidth. > > Will you have both circuits off their main router? Yes. If possible off seperate routers at least, I hope. >> So far I have been given a quote for either a cisco 6504-E or a foundry >> fastiron super-x. Both at about 25K. > > I'd probably buy the Cisco - I've seen far too many unique 'features' out > of Foundry[0]. Thanks for the advice. I have never used any foundry gear. I do seem to recall their service policies sucking more than most when I looked at their switches. Just to through it out there, the ISP uses Juniper. Nicole > cheers! > [0] ... and I say this having run into plenty of 'features' from Cisco... > ========================================================================== > "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound > desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to > avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now." -- ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- From davejohanson at gmail.com Mon Oct 2 20:39:09 2006 From: davejohanson at gmail.com (Dave Johanson) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:39:09 -0700 Subject: Help in selecting router please In-Reply-To: <20061003011040.9D6F320F23@krell.webweaver.net> References: <20061002204054.R36085@skink.reptiles.org> <20061003011040.9D6F320F23@krell.webweaver.net> Message-ID: <842254bf0610022039m11679e29sa99079e17f97edb0@mail.gmail.com> Router Analogy Cisco Routers are like Swiss Army knives. They have many features, but do not perform exceptionally well with any of them. Juniper Routers are like razor sharp hunting knives. Giving the best routing performance, with each product maximized for a few features. In 2006, 23 of the 25 major service providers use Juniper routers (reliability and performance were the main factors in those selections for many large companies including the US Government.). Dave J. On 10/2/06, Nicole wrote: > > On 03-Oct-06 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that Cat Okita said: > > On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Nicole wrote: > >> The bgp would simply be to balance two connections from the same providor. > > > > ... so a private ASN, and two separate circuits... > > > >> Sadly not an option for them since we are connected to their main router to > >> get that level of bandwidth. > > > > Will you have both circuits off their main router? > > Yes. If possible off seperate routers at least, I hope. > > >> So far I have been given a quote for either a cisco 6504-E or a foundry > >> fastiron super-x. Both at about 25K. > > > > I'd probably buy the Cisco - I've seen far too many unique 'features' out > > of Foundry[0]. > > Thanks for the advice. I have never used any foundry gear. I do seem to > recall their service policies sucking more than most when I looked at their > switches. > > > Just to through it out there, the ISP uses Juniper. > > > Nicole > > > > > cheers! > > [0] ... and I say this having run into plenty of 'features' from Cisco... > > ========================================================================== > > "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound > > desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to > > avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now." > > -- > > ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* > * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * > * * // \\ * * > * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * > ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- > > > From nicole at unixgirl.com Mon Oct 2 16:27:10 2006 From: nicole at unixgirl.com (Nicole) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Help in selecting router please In-Reply-To: <4511D30F.4070600@badapple.net> Message-ID: <20061002232710.7175520F22@krell.webweaver.net> Sorry for the late reply. Bogged down with other issues. On 20-Sep-06 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that kashani said: > Nicole wrote: >> Hi >> I was wondering if anyone could assist in helping me with a problem. >> >> I have bandwidth that is exceeding our 1Gb fiber drop from our >> colo provider, so I need to add another. So do so, I will need to move to a >> router or routing switch that can use BGP (as that is all that our colo >> providor >> offers) to support load balancing across the two fiber drops. Then provide >> at >> least 2 preferably 4 or more 1Gb copper or fiber ports to connect to our >> switches. >> >> Once we start talking multiple gigabit routing, I am in over my head and >> the >> costs seem extreemly high. I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a >> solution >> or router that may be less than stratosferic in cost. > > I was last a routing geek in 2001 and haven't really kept up with the > technology. However I don't think there is enough info here about your > infrastructure to make a decent suggestion. Here's a couple of questions > to get things going and some router ramblings. > > Are you getting a connection to a different provider or the same provider? The bgp would simply be to balance two connections from the same providor. > If it's the same provider you can etherchannel or whatever your vendors > calls it from your gear to their gear with your current switch. Not a > terribly fancy solution, but it should work if both sides are reasonably > modern. Sadly not an option for them since we are connected to their main router to get that level of bandwidth. > If it is two providers you're pretty much stuck with BGP. That leads us > to the next question, do you need/want full BGP routes? Not forseable in the near future. > I might consider asking for a default route from each provider, > 0.0.0.0/0, and then 10-15k of their peering routes rather than the whole > 120-150k routes a full table could be. Your total BGP table should be no > more than 40-50k routes which could fit into 32MB IIRC. That means you > can get a cheap(er) routing engine w/128-256MB for your current big dumb > switch. Of course all that depends on which big dumb switch you already > own. I wouldn't do full routes with two providers with anything less > than 128MB for the record and more RAM is always better. > > Are you going to be pushing significantly more traffic in the near future? That is our hope of course, but no one can ever say how soon. > If yes, it might be worth your time to have a real routing > infrastructure rather than half assing it. Full BGP tables allows you to > pick better and hopefully faster routes, load balance across many > providers, which leads to fault tolerance at least at the routing layer. > Additionally it allows you to negotiate bandwidth prices and gives you > the knobs to use your bandwidth as effectively as possible. Right now I have been told find the best but cheapest solution. > You can also go the opposite way and keep a smaller network and use a > content delivery network if you're all http or something similar. CDNs > are often no cheaper than doing yourself, but require less initial cash > and personnel. CDN's are expensive and also usually require either bulk payments for bandwidth, used or not, or per MB of transfer which would be too expensive in the long run. So far I have been given a quote for either a cisco 6504-E or a foundry fastiron super-x. Both at about 25K. If anyone else is in the business and would like to quote on this, please let me know. Other comments and suggestions of course welcomed! Thanks! Nicole > Ramin -- ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- From cat at reptiles.org Mon Oct 2 20:56:32 2006 From: cat at reptiles.org (Cat Okita) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Help in selecting router please In-Reply-To: <842254bf0610022039m11679e29sa99079e17f97edb0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20061002204054.R36085@skink.reptiles.org> <20061003011040.9D6F320F23@krell.webweaver.net> <842254bf0610022039m11679e29sa99079e17f97edb0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061002235029.R18260@skink.reptiles.org> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Dave Johanson wrote: > Cisco Routers are like Swiss Army knives. They have many features, > but do not perform exceptionally well with any of them. > > Juniper Routers are like razor sharp hunting knives. Giving the best > routing performance, with each product maximized for a few features. I'm afraid that I'd have to disagree - they're all just a question of which devil you're dancing with (and give that maint does tend to happen in the wee hours, it usually is the pale moonlight...) > In 2006, 23 of the 25 major service providers use Juniper routers > (reliability and performance were the main factors in those selections > for many large companies including the US Government.). That's a bit misleading. None of the major service providers are insane enough to lock themselves into a single vendor[0]. cheers! [0] ... which doesn't prevent single vendor upgrades from taking them out anyways... ========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now." From michael at halligan.org Mon Oct 2 21:49:01 2006 From: michael at halligan.org (Michael T. Halligan) Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 21:49:01 -0700 Subject: Help in selecting router please In-Reply-To: <20061002232710.7175520F22@krell.webweaver.net> References: <20061002232710.7175520F22@krell.webweaver.net> Message-ID: <4521EBBD.8000400@halligan.org> Nicole, You should call up Chris Johnson @ networkhardware.com. You'll find, however, that a refurbed Cisco 6506 is actually cheaper than a 6504 due to available qty. Nicole wrote: > Sorry for the late reply. Bogged down with other issues. > > On 20-Sep-06 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that kashani said: > >> Nicole wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> I was wondering if anyone could assist in helping me with a problem. >>> >>> I have bandwidth that is exceeding our 1Gb fiber drop from our >>> colo provider, so I need to add another. So do so, I will need to move to a >>> router or routing switch that can use BGP (as that is all that our colo >>> providor >>> offers) to support load balancing across the two fiber drops. Then provide >>> at >>> least 2 preferably 4 or more 1Gb copper or fiber ports to connect to our >>> switches. >>> >>> Once we start talking multiple gigabit routing, I am in over my head and >>> the >>> costs seem extreemly high. I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a >>> solution >>> or router that may be less than stratosferic in cost. >>> >> I was last a routing geek in 2001 and haven't really kept up with the >> technology. However I don't think there is enough info here about your >> infrastructure to make a decent suggestion. Here's a couple of questions >> to get things going and some router ramblings. >> >> Are you getting a connection to a different provider or the same >> > provider? > > The bgp would simply be to balance two connections from the same providor. > > >> If it's the same provider you can etherchannel or whatever your vendors >> calls it from your gear to their gear with your current switch. Not a >> terribly fancy solution, but it should work if both sides are reasonably >> modern. >> > > Sadly not an option for them since we are connected to their main router to > get that level of bandwidth. > > >> If it is two providers you're pretty much stuck with BGP. That leads us >> to the next question, do you need/want full BGP routes? >> > > Not forseable in the near future. > > >> I might consider asking for a default route from each provider, >> 0.0.0.0/0, and then 10-15k of their peering routes rather than the whole >> 120-150k routes a full table could be. Your total BGP table should be no >> more than 40-50k routes which could fit into 32MB IIRC. That means you >> can get a cheap(er) routing engine w/128-256MB for your current big dumb >> switch. Of course all that depends on which big dumb switch you already >> own. I wouldn't do full routes with two providers with anything less >> than 128MB for the record and more RAM is always better. >> >> Are you going to be pushing significantly more traffic in the near >> > future? > > That is our hope of course, but no one can ever say how soon. > > >> If yes, it might be worth your time to have a real routing >> infrastructure rather than half assing it. Full BGP tables allows you to >> pick better and hopefully faster routes, load balance across many >> providers, which leads to fault tolerance at least at the routing layer. >> Additionally it allows you to negotiate bandwidth prices and gives you >> the knobs to use your bandwidth as effectively as possible. >> > > Right now I have been told find the best but cheapest solution. > > >> You can also go the opposite way and keep a smaller network and use a >> content delivery network if you're all http or something similar. CDNs >> are often no cheaper than doing yourself, but require less initial cash >> and personnel. >> > > CDN's are expensive and also usually require either bulk payments for > bandwidth, used or not, or per MB of transfer which would be too expensive in > the long run. > > > So far I have been given a quote for either a cisco 6504-E or a foundry > fastiron super-x. Both at about 25K. > > If anyone else is in the business and would like to quote on this, please let > me know. Other comments and suggestions of course welcomed! > > > Thanks! > > Nicole > > > > > >> Ramin >> > > -- > ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* > * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * > * * // \\ * * > * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * > ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- > From rflii at speakeasy.net Tue Oct 3 01:25:17 2006 From: rflii at speakeasy.net (Ron Leedy) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 01:25:17 -0700 Subject: Help in selecting router please In-Reply-To: <4521EBBD.8000400@halligan.org> Message-ID: <015c01c6e6c5$781b5200$cd0ba8c0@rflii.net> Nicole, I'll put a vote in on the quality of the people at Network Hardware. They will tell you the answer straight up even if it means not selling you the highest price toy or not selling a unit at all. Also, I had a problem with a reburb unit they shipped me and after a short diagnostic period, they replaced it FedEx Priority AM delivery. Best service I ever received from a vendor. -Ron Leedy > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-baylisa at baylisa.org [mailto:owner-baylisa at baylisa.org] On > Behalf Of Michael T. Halligan > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:49 PM > To: Nicole > Cc: kashani; baylisa > Subject: Re: Help in selecting router please > > Nicole, > > You should call up Chris Johnson @ networkhardware.com. You'll find, > however, that a refurbed Cisco 6506 is actually > cheaper than a 6504 due to available qty. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006 From dsmith at FinancialEngines.com Tue Oct 3 06:30:09 2006 From: dsmith at FinancialEngines.com (David Smith) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 06:30:09 -0700 Subject: Help in selecting router please Message-ID: <17D60EFECB2C044097D6C4336DD8ED75BE7C20@INF-EXCH-SJC-01.fngn.com> I'll third that. I buy a good bit of refurb gear from them as well. They are always on the ball. The one issue I had was immediately corrected. Thanks, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-baylisa at baylisa.org [mailto:owner-baylisa at baylisa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Leedy Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:25 AM To: 'Nicole' Cc: 'baylisa' Subject: RE: Help in selecting router please Nicole, I'll put a vote in on the quality of the people at Network Hardware. They will tell you the answer straight up even if it means not selling you the highest price toy or not selling a unit at all. Also, I had a problem with a reburb unit they shipped me and after a short diagnostic period, they replaced it FedEx Priority AM delivery. Best service I ever received from a vendor. -Ron Leedy > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-baylisa at baylisa.org [mailto:owner-baylisa at baylisa.org] On > Behalf Of Michael T. Halligan > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:49 PM > To: Nicole > Cc: kashani; baylisa > Subject: Re: Help in selecting router please > > Nicole, > > You should call up Chris Johnson @ networkhardware.com. You'll find, > however, that a refurbed Cisco 6506 is actually > cheaper than a 6504 due to available qty. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 10/1/2006 From strata at virtual.net Tue Oct 3 15:45:44 2006 From: strata at virtual.net (Strata R. Chalup) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 15:45:44 -0700 Subject: new SAGE site up: BayLISA members welcome! Message-ID: <4522E818.5040604@virtual.net> We've streamlined the site and made a lot of things available to both members and non-members. Come on down and check it out! http://www.sage.org/ best regards, Strata BayLISA Board Emeritus SAGE Programs Manager -- ======================================================================== Strata Rose Chalup [KF6NBZ] strata "@" virtual.net VirtualNet Consulting http://www.virtual.net/ ** Strategic IT for the Growing Enterprise ** ========================================================================= From sigje at sigje.org Tue Oct 3 16:13:37 2006 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AIX 5.1 Message-ID: Anyone possibly have AIX 5.1 sitting around on a shelf languishing? From eric at explosive.net Tue Oct 3 16:41:51 2006 From: eric at explosive.net (Eric Sorenson) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AIX 5.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, Jennifer Davis wrote: > > Anyone possibly have AIX 5.1 sitting around on a shelf languishing? > Yeah... [eric at moose ~]$ prtconf System Model: IBM,7029-6E3 Machine Serial Number: 10E7D9E Processor Type: PowerPC_POWER4 Number Of Processors: 2 Processor Clock Speed: 1452 MHz CPU Type: 64-bit Kernel Type: 32-bit LPAR Info: 1 NULL Memory Size: 2048 MB Good Memory Size: 2048 MB Firmware Version: IBM,RG041029_d79e00_r Console Login: enable Auto Restart: false Full Core: false [eric at moose ~]$ uname -a AIX moose 1 5 000E7D9E4C00 Do you need something in particular? -- - Eric Sorenson - N37 17.255 W121 55.738 - http://ahpook.vox.com/ - - Personal colo with a professional touch - http://www.explosive.net - From elections at baylisa.org Tue Oct 3 23:04:08 2006 From: elections at baylisa.org (BayLISA Election Staff) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 23:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BayLISA Elections : Call for candidate statements Message-ID: <200610040604.k94648bf025176@www.baylisa.org> Hi all, Every year we hold elections for positions on the BayLISA board of directors. This year is no exception and voting will occur in November. A further email will be sent shortly with voting details. The purpose of thie email is to solicit statements from those of you who may be interested in running for board. As we've mentioned in the past, it's a great experience, looks good on the resume, and teaches you skills and discipline not always found in everyday sysadmin work. This year there are two seats open for election. To be a BayLISA board member all you need is to be a member in good standing of the organization (you can join anytime up to election evening if you want to run/vote, see http://www.baylisa.org/members/join.shtml), and to stand for election and be elected by your peers. We urge everyone to think about doing this. It takes very little of your time; one evening a month (board meeting) and maybe a few hours of cumulative time on top of that, plus of course the general meeting if you choose to attend in a given month. What we need from you at this point, to get your name on the ballot, is a short candidate statement. Up to three or four paragraphs is plenty. You should email this statement to baylisa at baylisa.org, so that everyone knows who you are and why they should vote for you. Quite simple really. We will also be posting the candidate statements on the website prior to election night. Please, support BayLISA, it really is worthwhile. Thanks, Election Staff From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 4 12:07:06 2006 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 12:07:06 -0700 Subject: (forw) [svlug] [svlug-announce] SVLUG Oct. 4 meeting: Ingres RDBMS Message-ID: <20061004190706.GB30099@linuxmafia.com> ----- Forwarded message from Rick Moen ----- Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:59:26 -0700 To: svlug-announce at lists.svlug.org From: Rick Moen Subject: [svlug] [svlug-announce] SVLUG Oct. 4 meeting: Ingres RDBMS The Silicon Valley Linux Users Group (SVLUG) meets this Wednesday, (that's tonight!): WHEN: Wednesday, October 4, 2006 7pm-9pm MAIN PRESENTATION: TOPIC: Ingres RDBMS PRESENTED BY: Bill Mamoin, Ingres Corporation TOPIC SUMMARY: The topic will be the re-birth of Ingres to the open source community -- along with the technical details behind Ingres and what makes it different from other RDBMSes in the open source market. Bill will also review what Ingres Corp. is doing with Linux, and its efforts to make developing on an open source stack easier. ABOUT THE PRESENTER: Bill Mamoin is Senior Vice-President of Worldwide Engineering for Ingres, having arrived with 20 years' experience with Oracle database architecture management. Most recently, he served as VP in Oracle's Server Technologies division, where he was responsible for its collaboration software, including content services and records management. For more than ten years, he led Oracle's work in data security, including pioneering work within the US and international ISO bodies, along with scalability work on Oracle 7 and 8 releases that helped achieve record database scalability measures. NIFTY OF THE MONTH: To be announced. LOCATION: Symantec (formerly Veritas Software Corp.) VCAFE Facility 350 Ellis Street (near E. Middlefield Road) Mountain View, CA 94043 Directions on how to get there are listed at: http://www.svlug.org/directions/veritas.shtml We've tried our very best for these directions to be accurate. If you have any improvements to make, please let SVLUG's volunteers know! webmaster {at} svlug -dot- org MEETING REFRESHMENTS: Open Country (http://www.opencountry.com/) will be graciously providing refreshments for this meeting. POST-MEETING GATHERING: If you just can't get enough, a smaller group usually goes to a local restaurant/diner after the meeting. We'll announce the restaurant selection at the meeting. We look forward to seeing you there! _______________________________________________ svlug-announce mailing list svlug-announce at lists.svlug.org http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/svlug-announce _______________________________________________ svlug mailing list svlug at lists.svlug.org http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/svlug ----- End forwarded message ----- From sigje at sigje.org Mon Oct 9 16:46:30 2006 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 16:46:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Special Monitoring SIG Meeting - Tomorrow in San Francisco! Message-ID: 7pm, October 10, 2006 Inaugural Monitoring BayLISA SIG meeting The October Special BayLISA Monitoring SIG meeting will be taking place at GroundWork Open Source at 139 Townsend St, San Francisco. 139 Townsend St. is very near the Giant's Stadium (AT&T Park). It is two blocks from the CalTrain Depot. Take the MUNI N trolley "inbound" to 2nd and King (ballpark stop) or take the 15 or 30 buses crosstown. Free evening street parking can usually be found *except* when there's a ball game, at which time it's nonexistent. Inaugural Monitoring BayLISA SIG Meeting Following a brief presentation, we will have a brainstorm about ways to build good tools for monitoring. Food and drinks will be provided by GroundWork. From rob.markovic at gmail.com Mon Oct 9 18:42:36 2006 From: rob.markovic at gmail.com (Robi) Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2006 18:42:36 -0700 Subject: Special Monitoring SIG Meeting - Tomorrow in San Francisco! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97a9d8c80610091842x7615fbcdg713a28a2aaaeed62@mail.gmail.com> Is anyone planning on going to Tue night's meeting in SF coming from San Jose or the Peninsula (RWC,Mtn View, Sunnyvale..)? I'd like to carpool or get a group going, so if interested, ping me back. Thanks, -- Rob From extasia at extasia.org Fri Oct 13 13:58:32 2006 From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 13:58:32 -0700 Subject: perforce: one server, multiple ports? Message-ID: <4c714a9c0610131358n3cb3ee53u12182b9ca754d340@mail.gmail.com> Greetings, My manager says that at her last gig, they ran, on a fedora box, a single perforce server that listened on multple ports, one port per depot. I can't (yet?) find any documentation supporting this. Multiple servers each listening to a distinct port, yes, but a single server listening to multiple ports, no. Has anyone experienced a situation in which this (one server listening on multiple ports) was done? Thanks, David -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. From jac at panix.com Fri Oct 13 15:07:02 2006 From: jac at panix.com (John Clear) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:07:02 -0700 Subject: perforce: one server, multiple ports? In-Reply-To: <4c714a9c0610131358n3cb3ee53u12182b9ca754d340@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c714a9c0610131358n3cb3ee53u12182b9ca754d340@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20061013220702.GA6446@panix.com> On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 01:58:32PM -0700, David Alban wrote: > > Has anyone experienced a situation in which this (one server listening > on multiple ports) was done? Our perforce server has each depot on a different port. You just specify: p4d -p 1666 p4d -p 1667 p4d -p 1668 John From extasia at extasia.org Fri Oct 13 15:11:02 2006 From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:11:02 -0700 Subject: perforce: one server, multiple ports? In-Reply-To: <20061013220702.GA6446@panix.com> References: <4c714a9c0610131358n3cb3ee53u12182b9ca754d340@mail.gmail.com> <20061013220702.GA6446@panix.com> Message-ID: <4c714a9c0610131511l7f206ebx618a856699430373@mail.gmail.com> Thanks, John. I wonder if you're talking about hardware servers... I should clarify. My manager was talking about a single server process listening to multiple ports. I believe you're talking about multiple server processes. On 10/13/06, John Clear wrote: > Our perforce server has each depot on a different port. > > You just specify: > > p4d -p 1666 > p4d -p 1667 > p4d -p 1668 -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. From brent at kanha.hpl.hp.com Fri Oct 13 17:09:25 2006 From: brent at kanha.hpl.hp.com (Brent Thompson) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:09:25 -0700 Subject: perforce: one server, multiple ports? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Oct 2006 15:11:02 PDT." <4c714a9c0610131511l7f206ebx618a856699430373@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200610140009.k9E09PCO018046@kanha.hpl.hp.com> > My manager was talking about a single server > process listening to multiple ports. I believe you're talking about > multiple server processes. > > On 10/13/06, John Clear wrote: > > Our perforce server has each depot on a different port. > > > > You just specify: > > > > p4d -p 1666 > > p4d -p 1667 > > p4d -p 1668 Might be good to clarify that your manager's situation was a single server process id listening to multiple ports not a single server process name listening to multiple ports --- Brent From extasia at extasia.org Fri Oct 13 18:41:06 2006 From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 18:41:06 -0700 Subject: perforce: one server, multiple ports? In-Reply-To: <200610140009.k9E09PCO018046@kanha.hpl.hp.com> References: <4c714a9c0610131511l7f206ebx618a856699430373@mail.gmail.com> <200610140009.k9E09PCO018046@kanha.hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: <4c714a9c0610131841rd3154d6va13fec956f55e20@mail.gmail.com> Clarification: A single server process listening to multiple ports. Not a process group. Not the set of all processes that share the same program name. On 10/13/06, Brent Thompson wrote: > Might be good to clarify that your manager's situation was > > a single server process id listening to multiple ports > not a single server process name listening to multiple ports -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. From sigje at sigje.org Thu Oct 19 11:13:07 2006 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BayLISA Meeting - Tonight - Yahoo Campus Building E 7pm Message-ID: Topic: Wiki Collaboration and Wiki Applications in the Workplace Speaker: Peter Thoeny Time: Tonight, 7pm Pizza and Soda provided by BayLISA For more details, check the BayLISA website. Elections are upcoming in November. Come meet some of the candidates for the Board! Jennifer From ahorn at deorth.org Thu Oct 19 13:42:05 2006 From: ahorn at deorth.org (Alan Horn) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BayLISA Meeting - Tonight - Yahoo Campus Building E 7pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please note that tonights meeting is in a *different* room at Yahoo. This is entirely my fault by messing up the room booking, sorry. You'll need to ask the guard to direct you to the parking structure for Classroom 5 in bldg. C. Tell them you're there for the BayLISA meeting. Cheers, Al On Thu, 19 Oct 2006, Jennifer Davis wrote: >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:13:07 -0700 (PDT) >From: Jennifer Davis >To: baylisa at baylisa.org >Subject: BayLISA Meeting - Tonight - Yahoo Campus Building E 7pm > > > Topic: Wiki Collaboration and Wiki Applications in the Workplace > Speaker: Peter Thoeny > Time: Tonight, 7pm > Pizza and Soda provided by BayLISA > > For more details, check the BayLISA website. > > Elections are upcoming in November. Come meet some of the candidates for the > Board! > > Jennifer > > From jmturner at yahoo-inc.com Thu Oct 19 16:54:29 2006 From: jmturner at yahoo-inc.com (James M. Turner) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:54:29 -0700 Subject: Board Candidacy Message-ID: <45381035.3080902@yahoo-inc.com> To the President, Board, and Membership of BayLISA, I present myself as a candidate for the Board of Directors. My platform for this election is a very simple one - no politics. Entirely too much time is wasted in organizations like BayLISA over silly political drama. It is my goal to minimize such, thereby maximizing the amount of time we can spend listening, learning, and eating pizza. Pizza > Drama. I am currently a System Administration intern at Yahoo! Inc., hopefully moving to full-time in December. I've been using various flavors of Unix since the early '90s, and I love what I do. The fact that I get paid to do it still makes me giggle. I will bring energy, enthusiasm, and a distinct lack of drama to the position if I'm elected. I can't wait to see what we can accomplish together for ourselves and for BayLISA. :) Warm regards, Mikey Turner Yahoo! Operations SA/DNS From tony at usenix.org Tue Oct 24 10:39:28 2006 From: tony at usenix.org (Tony Del Porto) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 10:39:28 -0700 Subject: APC external battery packs - anyone want them? Message-ID: <7F881C28-E3BD-4C35-87E1-D34C34F57F5A@usenix.org> Hey folks, I'm going to post these on craigslist shortly, but I thought I'd give the list first crack at them. I have four external APC battery cases, model UXBP48v, without batteries available for free. The wiring harnesses for the batteries are included. Here's a pic of three of them: http://www.usenix.org/termroom/craigslist/apcuxbp48v.jpg Tony Tony Del Porto SysAdmin USENIX Association 2560 9th Street, Suite 215, Berkeley CA 94710 510 528 8649 x16 desk | 510 932 3393 mobile tony at usenix.org | www.usenix.org | www.sage.org From bill at wards.net Tue Oct 24 15:30:38 2006 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:30:38 -0700 Subject: PenLUG this week - "Boosting Linux Adoption through Better Manageability" by Laurent Gharda Message-ID: <3d2fe1780610241530k1e0dfe0dp19cbe6e4d3592b95@mail.gmail.com> PenLUG (Peninsula Linux Users' Group) is having a meeting the day after tomorrow! You are invited. RSVP is not required, but so we can get an idea of how many people to expect please send mail to rsvp at penlug.org to let us know if you are planning to attend. For full details about the group, as well as directions to the meeting, visit www.penlug.org. Free pizza, hors d'ouvres and soft drinks, courtesy of Open Country, will be provided. Free review copies of books from O'Reilly, Prentice-Hall, APress, and/or other publishers, will be given out as door prizes. Be on time for the eary bird drawing. NOTE: Due to the holidays, our meetings in November and December will be on the 2nd Thursday instead of the 4th. So our next meeting after this will be Thursday, November 9. Date: Thursday, October 26th, 2006 Time: meeting 7:00 - 9:00 PM, social/networking until 10 PM Location: Twin Pines Park, 1225 Ralston Ave, Belmont, CA 94002 Speaker: Laurent Gharda Topic: Boosting Linux Adoption through Better Manageability Laurent will discuss how systems management is helping accelerate the adoption of Linux in large environments, both domestically and internationally. Included in the presentation will be an overview of basic concepts in managing large numbers of remote systems, reasons why some companies use systems management tools and others don't, emerging business models for Linux services (e.g., Managed Service Providers, inter-company and entrepreneurial collaboration), cultural and maturity differences between the US and emerging geographies and their impact on the growth rate of Linux. As COO of Open Country, Laurent oversees engineering, marketing, professional services, human resources and operations. Prior to joining Open Country, Laurent served as COO of eCode, VP of marketing of Phoenix Technologies, VP of marketing of Award Software, President and founder of QualSoft, VP of Sales of Veritas Software and spent ten successful years at Hewlett-Packard in a variety of senior business development and marketing positions. Laurent earned a B.A. in Computer Science from the University of California at Berkeley and a French National Baccalaureate in philosophy and modern languages. Laurent is the sole inventor of US Patent 6,009,520 and co-inventor of US Patents 6,560,702 and 6,564,318 addressing the manageability of application software, system software and enabling firmware in computer systems and embedded devices. He serves on the board of directors of CodeWeavers. Laurent was recently featured in the October 2006 OSDL newsletter. From sigje at sigje.org Wed Oct 25 16:01:22 2006 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Membership Discount to upcoming Secure World Expo Event - Nov 1-2 Message-ID: BayLISA is partnering with the SecureWorld Expo San Francisco Event taking place 11/1 - 2 at the South San Francisco Conference Center - http://www.secureworldexpo.com/events/index.php?id=212 Secureworld is is the first Regional Conference formed to promote the ideals of fostering communication between security professionals and technology leaders, to discuss best practices and to bind that body of thought in a public/private partnership with Government. Although there is no charge to attend Open Sessions and Exhibits at SecureWorld our partnership provides a $70 discount off the $185 Full Conference fee by using discount code - BAY1031 - at the following link - https://www.secureworldexpo.com/rsvp/ when you register to attend. From strata at virtual.net Sat Oct 28 20:54:43 2006 From: strata at virtual.net (Strata R. Chalup) Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:54:43 -0700 Subject: interesting talk/panel at Stanford Message-ID: <45442603.1080107@virtual.net> Heard about this and thought some BayLISAns would be interested. Dunno if I'll be able to make it. I believe admission is either free or 'darn cheap'. :-) ] From Counterculture to Cyberculture: The Legacy of the Whole Earth Catalog A symposium featuring Stewart Brand, Kevin Kelly, Howard Rheingold and Fred Turner Thursday, November 9 from 7:00 to 8:30 PM Cubberly Auditorium, Stanford University http://www.stanford.edu/~shyeo/wholeearth.htm During the 1960s, student marchers chanted "Do not fold, spindle or mutilate!" as they railed against computers and the Cold War-era military industrial complex computers seemed to represent. But within just three decades, computers had become emblems of countercultural revolution. This symposium will feature a conversation with three people who played key roles in that transformation: Stewart Brand, founder of the Whole Earth Catalog, Kevin Kelly, former executive editor of Wired magazine and author of Out of Control: The Rise of Neo-Biological Civilization and New Rules for the New Economy, and Howard Rheingold, author of The Virtual Community: Homesteading on the Electronic Frontier and Smart Mobs: The Next Social Revolution. The discussion will be moderated by Fred Turner, assistant professor of communication at Stanford and author of the new book From Counterculture to Cyberculture: Stewart Brand, the Whole Earth Network and the Rise of Digital Utopianism. This event is sponsored by the Stanford University Libraries, the Department of Communication, and the American Studies Program. It will be introduced by Henry Lowood, of the Stanford University Libraries, and followed by a public reception. ___________________________________________________________________ Fred Turner Assistant Professor Director of Undergraduate Studies Dept. of Communication Building 120 Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-2050 O) 650-723-0706 Fax) 650-725-2472 http://fredturner.stanford.edu -- ======================================================================== Strata R Chalup [KF6NBZ] strata "@" virtual.net Virtual.Net Inc http://www.virtual.net/ ** Strategic IT for the Growing Enterprise ** ========================================================================= From lgj at usenix.org Mon Oct 30 11:36:31 2006 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:36:31 -0800 Subject: USENIX Annual Tech '07 Call for Papers Message-ID: <4546543F.4020103@usenix.org> --------------------------------------- Call for Papers 2007 USENIX Annual Technical Conference June 17-22, 2006, Santa Clara, CA Paper Submissions Deadline: January 9, 2007 http://www.usenix.org/usenix07/cfpa/ --------------------------------------- Dear Colleague, On behalf of the 2007 USENIX Annual Technical Conference program committee, we request your ideas, proposals, and papers for tutorials, refereed papers, and a poster session. The program committee invites you to submit original and innovative papers to the Refereed Papers Track of the 2007 USENIX Annual Technical Conference. Authors are required to submit full papers by 11:59 p.m. PST, Tuesday, January 9, 2007. We seek high-quality submissions that further the knowledge and understanding of modern computing systems, with an emphasis on practical implementations and experimental results. We encourage papers that break new ground or present insightful results based on experience with computer systems. The USENIX conference has a broad scope. Specific topics of interest include but are not limited to: * Architectual interaction * Benchmarking * Deployment experience * Distributed and parallel systems * Embedded systems * Energy/power management * File and storage systems * Networking and network services * Operating systems * Reliability, availability, and scalability * Security, privacy, and trust * System and network management * Usage studies and workload characterization * Virtualization * Web technology * Wireless and mobile systems More information on these and other submission guidelines is available on our Web site: http://www.usenix.org/usenix07/cfpa/ IMPORTANT DATES: Paper submissions due: Tuesday, January 9, 2007, 11:59 p.m. PST Notification to authors: Monday, March 19, 2007 Final papers due: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 Please note that January 9 is a hard deadline; no extensions will be given. We look forward to your submissions. On behalf of the Annual Tech '07 Conference Organizers, Jeff Chase, Duke University Srinivasan Seshan, Carnegie Mellon University 2007 USENIX Annual Technical Conference Program Co-Chairs usenix07chairs at usenix.org