From lgj at usenix.org Fri May 5 09:50:14 2006 From: lgj at usenix.org (Lionel Garth Jones) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 09:50:14 -0700 Subject: USENIX LISA '06 Call For Papers Deadline Approaching Message-ID: <445B8246.5050009@usenix.org> -------------------------------------------------------------------- Call for Papers LISA '06: 20th Large Installation System Administration Conference December 3-8, 2006, Washington, D.C., USA http://www.usenix.org/lisa06/cfpb Extended Abstract and Paper Submissions Deadline: May 23, 2006 Sponsored by USENIX and SAGE -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Colleague The submission deadline for the 20th Large Installation System Administration Conference (LISA ?06) is approaching. Please submit your work by May 23, 2006. The LISA '06 organizers invite you to contribute proposals for refereed papers, invited talks, and workshops, plus any ideas you have for Guru Is In sessions, Work-in-Progress reports, and training sessions. The Call for Participation with submission guidelines and sample topics can be found on the USENIX Web site at http://www.usenix.org/lisa06/cfpb The annual LISA conference is the meeting place of choice for system, network, security, and other computing administrators. Administrators of all specialties and levels of expertise meet at LISA to exchange ideas, sharpen skills, learn new techniques, debate current issues, and meet colleagues and friends. People representing every work assignment from the full-time position at a large site to the part-time one at a small shop come to LISA from over 30 countries, bringing a variety of backgrounds and experience levels to the conference dedicated to them. System and network administrators from environments as diverse as academia, large corporations, small businesses, government organizations, and research sites find LISA to be the place to go for training, education, networking, and interacting with their peers. The conference's diverse group of participants is matched by an equally broad spectrum of activities: * Training sessions for both beginners and experienced attendees cover many administrative topics ranging from basic administrative procedures to using cutting-edge technologies. * Refereed papers present the latest developments and ideas related to system and network administration. * Invited talks and panels discuss important and timely topics and often spark lively debates and conversation. * Work-in-progress reports (WiPs) provide brief peeks at next year's innovations. GET INVOLVED! * Submit a draft paper or extended abstract proposal for a refereed paper. * Suggest an invited talk speaker. * Share your experience by leading a Guru Is In session. * Propose a training session topic. * Organize or suggest a Birds-of-a-Feather (BoF) session. * Email an idea to the chair: lisa06ideas at usenix.org ------------------------------------------------------------ IMPORTANT DATES Extended Abstract and Paper Submissions Deadline: May 23, 2006 Invited Talks proposals due: June 1, 2006 Notification to authors: July 12 2006 Final papers due: September 12, 2006 Submission guidelines and more information can be found at http://www.usenix.org/lisa06/cfpb Sponsored by USENIX and SAGE ------------------------------------------------------------- We look forward to hearing from you! On behalf of the LISA '06 Program Committee, William LeFebvre lisa06chair at usenix.org From holland at guidancetech.com Wed May 10 14:07:33 2006 From: holland at guidancetech.com (Rich Holland) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:07:33 -0400 Subject: Perl Training downtown Message-ID: <004f01c67475$c3576c80$c2f70d46@hackintosh> I never got a copy of the last message I sent out, so I'm assuming it never made it to the list. Is anyone out there interested in a short term engagement to delivery some Perl training in downtown San Francisco sometime over the next 4-6 weeks? It could be anything from 2-3 days to an entire week. I've got a client I've worked with in the past but can't deliver it myself due to other commitments, and I don't think they want to wait for me to free up. Drop me an email if you're interested... Thanks! Rich Holland Principal Consultant Guidance Technologies, Inc. Cell: 913-645-1950 From guy at extragalactic.net Thu May 11 17:16:22 2006 From: guy at extragalactic.net (Guy B. Purcell) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 17:16:22 -0700 Subject: Jabber help Message-ID: <7941F297-13D9-4992-B725-759B26E11085@extragalactic.net> Earlier today, I recommended Jabber to a friend looking to replace MSN as their corporate IM solution. I did so based on things I'd heard in various hallway discussions over the past few years, but had little knowledge of the thing myself. Well, it seems that Jabber has progressed so nicely in that time that they have multiple products now! So he asked me, "Wildfire or ejabberd?" Far beyond my knowledge, I appeal to the community: which way should he go? It's a small but growing company with a few offices around the world. -Guy From scott_wulf at symantec.com Thu May 11 21:07:54 2006 From: scott_wulf at symantec.com (Scott Wulf) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 21:07:54 -0700 Subject: Jabber help Message-ID: If you need to capture these conversations for compliance purposes and/or are so paranoid you don't want the conversations to leave the office then Jabber is the right solution. Sorry, I do not know what Jabber server we use. I do know that the jabber.org and Exodus clients are used. Another solution is to install an encryption tool on each client system. One can listen in on most, if not all, flavors of instant messaging because they are typically sent in clear text. To encrypt the packets my friends and I use SimpLite. It is a local socks proxy which manages private and public keys. By using an encryption tool I can use the same IM client, stay connected to my existing network of friends, and speak securely with those who install the same encryption tool. Scott From guy at extragalactic.net Fri May 12 09:32:01 2006 From: guy at extragalactic.net (Guy B. Purcell) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:32:01 -0700 Subject: Jabber help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On May 11, 2006, at 21:07, Scott Wulf wrote: > If you need to capture these conversations for compliance purposes > and/or are so paranoid you don't want the conversations to leave the > office then Jabber is the right solution. Yep--exactly the reason. The various IM service providers, like the various free email providers, feel that the data sent through/stored on their servers belongs to them, and that's just not something you want happening to the sort of internal company information that can be blithely send via IM. > Sorry, I do not know what > Jabber server we use. Bummer--I'm really looking for help on the server decision: once the server is settled, finding clients is pretty trivial. > Another solution is to install an encryption tool on each > client system. Unfortunately, that's not enforceable, so isn't an option. If there were no way to do IM other than with OTR enabled, this would be the way to go (wouldn't have to maintain yet another common service in- house), but the world just isn't there yet. Thanks for the suggestions, Scott. Anyone else have thoughts? I can't believe y'all don't have an opinion ;^) -Guy From jxh at jxh.com Fri May 12 10:30:41 2006 From: jxh at jxh.com (Jim Hickstein) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:30:41 -0700 Subject: Jabber help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4464C641.7010207@jxh.com> > Thanks for the suggestions, Scott. Anyone else have thoughts? I can't > believe y'all don't have an opinion ;^) My last outfit ran (and runs) a jabber server from jabber.org, a rather old one. But it's impossible to enforce its use, so people still send plenty of company-confidential information to each other, and to customers, via "public" IM services. All you can do is make a place for the proper behavior, set a policy, and then rely on non-technical means to enforce it (i.e. management). For myself, I don't even tell Yahoo, MSN, AOL, etc., about my very existence, if I can possibly help it. Have you seen the news lately? From etraitel at gmail.com Fri May 12 10:47:59 2006 From: etraitel at gmail.com (Eyal Traitel) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:47:59 -0700 Subject: Hosted Exchange Message-ID: All, Is anyone using a hosted Exchange service? Which provider do you use? Are you happy with them? We're considering 123Together, I'll be happy to receive some comments in case someone knows them. You can keep your replies private, I know I might be bashed by even mentioning a M$ product name here :-) -- Yours, Eyal. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahorn at deorth.org Fri May 12 10:47:49 2006 From: ahorn at deorth.org (Alan Horn) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: This Thursday BayLISA General Meeting - May 18, 2006 @7pm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This months offerings include Philip Kwan from A10 networks talking about identity and access mamnagement. A hands-on hardware demo of the A10 solutions for this problem, and a talk from Rob Das, chief splunk architect, on using search technology for troubleshooting in the data center. And of course the usual pizza, sodas and/or other snacks. Pizza this month is sponsored by A10 Networks. Hope to see you there ! When: May 18, 2006, 7:00-9:45pm Location: Apple Campus, De Anza Building 3 Auditorium, 10500 N De Anza Blvd Cupertino, CA 95014 RSVP: http://www.mollyguard.com/event/28759019 Thanks, Alan From cos at indeterminate.net Fri May 12 10:58:31 2006 From: cos at indeterminate.net (John Costello) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:58:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Jabber help In-Reply-To: <4464C641.7010207@jxh.com> Message-ID: Hi Guy! Hope all is well. On Fri, 12 May 2006, Jim Hickstein wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestions, Scott. Anyone else have thoughts? I can't > > believe y'all don't have an opinion ;^) > > My last outfit ran (and runs) a jabber server from jabber.org, a rather > old one. But it's impossible to enforce its use, so people still send > plenty of company-confidential information to each other, and to > customers, via "public" IM services. Internally, you could have the jabber servers act as proxiesw and route all IM network traffic to those serves for monitoring. That is a proposal I have heard, but have not seen implemented. However, once people are outside the office network enforcement becomes impossible--what stops a user from logging into IM on a home computer? Nothing. > All you can do is make a place for the proper behavior, set a policy, > and then rely on non-technical means to enforce it (i.e. management). > > For myself, I don't even tell Yahoo, MSN, AOL, etc., about my very > existence, if I can possibly help it. Have you seen the news lately? > ----- From rjwitte at rjwitte.com Fri May 12 12:00:43 2006 From: rjwitte at rjwitte.com (Russ Witte) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 12:00:43 -0700 Subject: Jabber help In-Reply-To: <4464C641.7010207@jxh.com> Message-ID: <014a01c675f6$64db0e00$6400a8c0@RJWDesktop> There are some decent appliances out there that can enforce your AUP. http://www.bluecoat.com/solutions/security/im.html It's a little too "big brother" for me though ... internally, I prefer to use an IRC server. Russ -----Original Message----- From: owner-baylisa at baylisa.org [mailto:owner-baylisa at baylisa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hickstein Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:31 AM To: Guy B. Purcell Cc: baylisa Subject: Re: Jabber help > Thanks for the suggestions, Scott. Anyone else have thoughts? I can't > believe y'all don't have an opinion ;^) My last outfit ran (and runs) a jabber server from jabber.org, a rather old one. But it's impossible to enforce its use, so people still send plenty of company-confidential information to each other, and to customers, via "public" IM services. All you can do is make a place for the proper behavior, set a policy, and then rely on non-technical means to enforce it (i.e. management). For myself, I don't even tell Yahoo, MSN, AOL, etc., about my very existence, if I can possibly help it. Have you seen the news lately? From cerise at armory.com Fri May 12 14:22:22 2006 From: cerise at armory.com (cerise at armory.com) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:22:22 -0700 Subject: Jabber help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060512212222.GA27219@boogeyman> On Fri, May 12, 2006 at 09:32:01AM -0700, Guy B. Purcell wrote: > > >Another solution is to install an encryption tool on each > >client system. > > Unfortunately, that's not enforceable, so isn't an option. If there > were no way to do IM other than with OTR enabled, this would be the > way to go (wouldn't have to maintain yet another common service in- > house), but the world just isn't there yet. > > Thanks for the suggestions, Scott. Anyone else have thoughts? I > can't believe y'all don't have an opinion ;^) Well, of course we don't have an opinion -- we have approximately n+1 for every n of us. ; ) My understanding is that MSN uses encryption without any add-on tools. I can't comment on any details about it though. The only reason I ever used it was because a long ago boss wanted us to use it. Of course, everyone could just use write & talk, but I can see where that battle goes 8) -Phil/CERisE From sigje at sigje.org Tue May 16 17:37:36 2006 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: This Thursday BayLISA General Meeting - May 18, 2006 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please join us for pizza and donuts sponsored by A10 Networks, social networking, and two great topics. We will be meeting at Apple Campus in De Anza Building 3. Remember park in the back, as that is where the auditorium is located. The theme for this month is logs. What: Leveraging Identity Management to Enhance Forensics, Philip Kwan what is identity and access management, the solutions available, and the factors driving those solutions, what are the problems we are facing, and live demo including examples with Snort Using search technology for troubleshooting within the data center, Rob Das with Mark Cohen and Sean Casey challenges of keeping Splunk infrastructure up and running, and specific exaples of using search technology to troubleshoot problems. When: May 18, 2006, 7:00-9:45pm Location: Apple Campus, De Anza Building 3 Auditorium, 10500 N De Anza Blvd Cupertino, CA 95014 RSVP: http://www.mollyguard.com/event/28759019 - OR - rsvp at baylisa.org From sigje at sigje.org Tue May 16 18:23:25 2006 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Linux Operating Systems Class, HPC Linux Admin Class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a bit of a ways off, but I wanted to give a headsup since it is a limited class size for each class (max 35 students from my understanding) and registration is happening now. At Contra Costa College in San Pablo, CA ( North Bay ) HPC-110 Introduction to Linux Systems - taught by me, Jennifer Davis HPC-250 HPC System Administration - taught by Alan Horn, BayLISA Board Member These are semester length classes that meet twice a week in the evenings for a low fee of ~$75. I believe it's $25 per credit hour, plus some amount for registration. I will be covering from logging in to kernel configuration for this first class. If you've always wanted a beginning hands on introduction to Linux, this will be a great opportunity for you to get a good solid feel for it. Additionally I will be covering topics like "Introduction to the Shell", "Organization of the File System", "Security and Access Control", "Power Tools", "Shell Programming", "Advanced File Systems", and more. Spring time next year, I will be doing a Linux System Administration class to follow this beginning intro to Linux class. Alan will be covering clusters and system administration of clusters. Again this will be a hands on type class, but is more advanced and is focused on Linux. You don't have to be pursuing a degree, or certificate of any kind to register for these classes. You can take them as further career education. There is a certificate program if that interests you offered through Contra Costa for aspiring system administrators. Find information about the college and the High Performance Computing program here: http://www.contracosta.edu/ If you would be interested in a Distance course based on either of these topics, let me know and I'll let others know up the chain. Jennifer From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu May 18 13:41:49 2006 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:41:49 -0700 Subject: BayLISA (Thu. May 18 meeting) location reminder Message-ID: <20060518204149.GS10532@linuxmafia.com> Just a brief reminder about the _location_ of tonight's meeting featuring: o Philip Kwan of A10 Networks on "Correlating Identity Information in Open Source Applications Using Multifuction Identity & Access Management Appliances" o Rob Das of Splunk on "Using search technology for troubleshooting within the data center" It will be at _DeAnza_ 3 Building Auditorium, 10500 N DeAnza Blvd. This building is _not_ part of the main Apple circle, but rather across Mariani Ave. from it (further away from I-280). Map and directions are at http://www.baylisa.org/location.shtml (but please ignore the bit about getting to building 4). Festivities start at 7 pm, with refreshments provided by A10 Networks. See you there! From bill at wards.net Mon May 22 21:00:24 2006 From: bill at wards.net (Bill Ward) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:00:24 -0700 Subject: PenLUG this week! Topic: the GIMP Message-ID: <3d2fe1780605222100m3bbbc238x12836050d2b06b07@mail.gmail.com> The Peninsula Linux Users' Group (PenLUG) has a meeting this week. Note: this is the second meeting at our new location, in Twin Pines Park in Belmont. Come enjoy a fascinating presentation, plus free pizza and sodas, and maybe get some free books too! Date: Thursday, May 25th, 2006 Time: meeting 7:00 - 9:00 PM, social/networking until 10 PM Location: Twin Pines Park, 1225 Ralston Ave, Belmont, CA 94002 Speaker: Akkana Peck Topic: What's New in GIMP? Plus Tips and Tricks Have you seen the development version of GIMP lately? Some of the basic tools you may use already have been greatly improved, and there are some new tools which can simplify previously difficult tasks. Akkana will give an introduction to some of the new features coming up in GIMP 2.4, and she'll also present some tricks for getting the most out of any version of GIMP. Come learn how to paint your car (or your dog) a different color, ways to select a single flower from a photograph, and how to make some cool 3-D effects. Or bring questions about how to use GIMP for your own projects. Akkana Peck is a freelance programmer and author of the new book Beginning GIMP: From Novice to Professional. She has worked for a range of Silicon Valley companies that include Netscape, Silicon Graphics, Sun, HP, and Apple, and has contributed to a wide range of open source projects (including, of course, GIMP). A PenLUG member, she lives in San Jose and has been using Linux and GIMP since about 1997. You can find more of her musings at her website. From david at catwhisker.org Tue May 23 10:25:02 2006 From: david at catwhisker.org (David Wolfskill) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:25:02 -0700 Subject: Is "wiki" the current state-of-the-art for a "virtual whiteboard?" Message-ID: <20060523172502.GZ627@bunrab.catwhisker.org> I've been asked to set up a very low-volume, restricted-access application that the requestors liken to a "virtual whiteboard." In this case, a couple of folks would use it to update the status of their contacts, and 4 other folks -- one pair co-located, but somewhat time-shifted; the other pair shifted both in geography and time -- would refer to it so they don't appear clueless when the phone starts ringing. Yeah, a simple text file could do the job if all concerned were sufficiently comfortable with the normal FreeBSD/UNIX command line stuff, but I have a fair amount of evidence that this is not the case for at least one pair of the folks involved. The only thing that comes to mind is a Wiki-based Web page, and I like being able to have at least a pair of alternatives when I'm asked to make a decision. If it's to be Web-based, I have a machine I expect to host it -- it's already running Apache 2.2.2. It's also a box that I'm grooming to take over as a local master CVS repository; I would prefer that whatever I use require little in the way of additional cruft (such as, say, PHP). That said, I may end up installing some version of PHP on it later on anyway. :-{ The box is a dual 3GHz Xeon w/ 4GB RAM, running FreeBSD 6-STABLE (updated weekly, both OS and ports -- though the last couple of weeks there have been no updates to the rather few installed ports, and I like it that way). It does a "make buildworld" in about 30 minutes, and is mostly idle except when it's updating its local mirror of the FreeBSD CVS repository (daily, in the wee small hours of the morning) or doing the buildworld. So: suggestions? Thanks! Peace, david -- David H. Wolfskill david at catwhisker.org When reading advertising, recall that "up to" means "no more than." See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for my public key. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Strangely, the biggest problem it solves is the line-ending dilemma. A text file will only work if (a) everyone is handy with a text editor (which many are not), and (b) they agree to pick one form of line ending -- CR or CRLF or LF -- and stick with it. Going over the network with HTTP at once enforces this and makes the issue go away. It's amazing how big this problem really is, and how neatly this solves it. I hear some grumbling that editing the pre-HTML markup language is still "too hard", but WYSIWYG TWiki is supposed to fix that. I'd take a look. From pcubbage at opencountry.com Tue May 23 12:24:43 2006 From: pcubbage at opencountry.com (Paul Cubbage) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:24:43 -0700 Subject: Is "wiki" the current state-of-the-art for a "virtual whiteboard?" In-Reply-To: <4473515E.3040206@jxh.com> References: <20060523172502.GZ627@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <4473515E.3040206@jxh.com> Message-ID: <4473617B.6030403@opencountry.com> Jim Hickstein wrote: > David Wolfskill wrote: > >> I've been asked to set up a very low-volume, restricted-access >> application that the requestors liken to a "virtual whiteboard." > > > I still like TWiki for this; I just upgraded to 4.0 (which purports to > have WYSIWYG editing, but I haven't see it yet). It can be set up to > enforce identifying users before they can edit things, and it has RCS > behind it, so it's suitable for places where the Wiki orthodoxy (let > anyone do anything, and someone will correct it) makes people > uncomfortable. > > Strangely, the biggest problem it solves is the line-ending dilemma. A > text file will only work if (a) everyone is handy with a text editor > (which many are not), and (b) they agree to pick one form of line ending > -- CR or CRLF or LF -- and stick with it. Going over the network with > HTTP at once enforces this and makes the issue go away. It's amazing > how big this problem really is, and how neatly this solves it. > > I hear some grumbling that editing the pre-HTML markup language is still > "too hard", but WYSIWYG TWiki is supposed to fix that. I'd take a look. Hi David, It's been a while. TWiki with WYSWIG sounds great but I'd make sure it works. The resistance to using the TWiki markup is very high amongst mortals. Navigation and creating links can also be a barrier if it has many pages generated. Given what you've said, it should work. You can use the TWiki table features (TWiki has lots of add-ins) to simplify data entry and that should work well with tracking status on contacts. The one other thing that can occur is that someone gets enthusiastic and creates lots of stuff and generates lots of questions for you to answer. Be free and open, Paul From vraptor at employees.org Tue May 23 13:42:33 2006 From: vraptor at employees.org (vraptor at employees.org) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:42:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is "wiki" the current state-of-the-art for a "virtual whiteboard?" In-Reply-To: <4473515E.3040206@jxh.com> References: <20060523172502.GZ627@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <4473515E.3040206@jxh.com> Message-ID: <20060523125342.O25368@willers.employees.org> On Tue, 23 May 2006, Jim Hickstein wrote: > David Wolfskill wrote: >> I've been asked to set up a very low-volume, restricted-access >> application that the requestors liken to a "virtual whiteboard." > > I still like TWiki for this; I just upgraded to 4.0 (which purports to have > WYSIWYG editing, but I haven't see it yet). It can be set up to enforce > identifying users before they can edit things, and it has RCS behind it, so > it's suitable for places where the Wiki orthodoxy (let anyone do anything, and > someone will correct it) makes people uncomfortable. > > Strangely, the biggest problem it solves is the line-ending dilemma. A text > file will only work if (a) everyone is handy with a text editor (which many > are not), and (b) they agree to pick one form of line ending -- CR or CRLF or > LF -- and stick with it. Going over the network with HTTP at once enforces > this and makes the issue go away. It's amazing how big this problem really > is, and how neatly this solves it. > > I hear some grumbling that editing the pre-HTML markup language is still "too > hard", but WYSIWYG TWiki is supposed to fix that. I'd take a look. I've tested Twiki and some of the others that do not require a db or php. Twiki is probably the best "all rounder" that doesn't require (but allows you to use, if you like) those extra components. I liked DokuWiki out of the others that I tested, as it was very easy to set up and seemed lightweight and nice looking out of the gate; others in my team preferred MoinMoin. One of the Perl-based ones (I don't remember which) was a real pain to install on Solaris. We ended up installing Twiki, but it never really got off the ground because the opportunity for an open documenting culture in our team had already been hacked off at the knees by management and clients insisting on having everything in Word docs in Exchange public folders. :-( At current $ork, we are using Confluence, which does have real WSYWIG editting. It seems to be well-accepted among the non-techies in my team. I prefer the "wiki" style markup because it's faster for me. We are also using Jira for issue tracking. They seem to be pretty robust, and the support team is responsive. We saw a problem with out of memory issues, and not only did they update the documentation to indicate that this was a separate memory parameter, they fixed the bug in the next point release. They are commercial products, but not very expensive. Certainly they are overkill for David's needs, though. =Nadine= From windsor at warthog.com Wed May 24 19:36:41 2006 From: windsor at warthog.com (Rob Windsor) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 21:36:41 -0500 Subject: Is "wiki" the current state-of-the-art for a "virtual whiteboard?" In-Reply-To: <20060523125342.O25368@willers.employees.org> References: <20060523172502.GZ627@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <4473515E.3040206@jxh.com> <20060523125342.O25368@willers.employees.org> Message-ID: <44751839.8080805@warthog.com> "yes" to answer the original question. :) Here's an excellent startpoint. http://www.wikimatrix.org/ (not my site, btw) Rob++ vraptor at employees.org wrote: > On Tue, 23 May 2006, Jim Hickstein wrote: > >> David Wolfskill wrote: >>> I've been asked to set up a very low-volume, restricted-access >>> application that the requestors liken to a "virtual whiteboard." >> >> I still like TWiki for this; I just upgraded to 4.0 (which purports to >> have WYSIWYG editing, but I haven't see it yet). It can be set up to >> enforce identifying users before they can edit things, and it has RCS >> behind it, so it's suitable for places where the Wiki orthodoxy (let >> anyone do anything, and someone will correct it) makes people >> uncomfortable. >> >> Strangely, the biggest problem it solves is the line-ending dilemma. >> A text file will only work if (a) everyone is handy with a text editor >> (which many are not), and (b) they agree to pick one form of line >> ending -- CR or CRLF or LF -- and stick with it. Going over the >> network with HTTP at once enforces this and makes the issue go away. >> It's amazing how big this problem really is, and how neatly this >> solves it. >> >> I hear some grumbling that editing the pre-HTML markup language is >> still "too hard", but WYSIWYG TWiki is supposed to fix that. I'd take >> a look. > > I've tested Twiki and some of the others that do not require a db or > php. Twiki is probably the best "all rounder" that doesn't require > (but allows you to use, if you like) those extra components. I liked > DokuWiki out of the others that I tested, as it was very easy to set > up and seemed lightweight and nice looking out of the gate; others in > my team preferred MoinMoin. One of the Perl-based ones (I don't > remember which) was a real pain to install on Solaris. We ended up > installing Twiki, but it never really got off the ground because the > opportunity for an open documenting culture in our team had already > been hacked off at the knees by management and clients insisting on > having everything in Word docs in Exchange public folders. :-( > > At current $ork, we are using Confluence, which does have real WSYWIG > editting. It seems to be well-accepted among the non-techies in my > team. I prefer the "wiki" style markup because it's faster for me. > We are also using Jira for issue tracking. They seem to be pretty > robust, and the support team is responsive. We saw a problem with out > of memory issues, and not only did they update the documentation to > indicate that this was a separate memory parameter, they fixed the bug > in the next point release. > > They are commercial products, but not very expensive. Certainly they > are overkill for David's needs, though. > > =Nadine= -- Internet: windsor at warthog.com __o Life: Rob at Carrollton.Texas.USA.Earth _`\<,_ (_)/ (_) "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." -- Major General John Sedgwick From david at catwhisker.org Wed May 24 19:39:54 2006 From: david at catwhisker.org (David Wolfskill) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:39:54 -0700 Subject: Is "wiki" the current state-of-the-art for a "virtual whiteboard?" In-Reply-To: <20060523172502.GZ627@bunrab.catwhisker.org> References: <20060523172502.GZ627@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: <20060525023954.GI14974@bunrab.catwhisker.org> On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 10:25:02AM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote: > I've been asked to set up a very low-volume, restricted-access > application that the requestors liken to a "virtual whiteboard." > > ... > > [wiki?] > > So: suggestions? >... The suggestions that came back were almost universally recommending a Wiki of one form or another; as I have a certain affinity for using source control, as well as a small amount of prior experience using and maintaining an existing TWiki installation, I have decided to start with TWiki and see if it proves to be appropriate for the task at hand. My thanks to all who responded. Peace, david -- David H. Wolfskill david at catwhisker.org When reading advertising, recall that "up to" means "no more than." 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