From bill at wards.net Sat Jan 1 01:17:45 2005 From: bill at wards.net (William R Ward) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 01:17:45 -0800 Subject: Where to buy UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <20041126223202.GA13662@felix.stimpy.net> References: <20041111193927.GK32543@merlins.org> <20041114154334.GG29461@merlins.org> <20041126223202.GA13662@felix.stimpy.net> Message-ID: <16854.27321.173850.577160@komodo.home.wards.net> Joe Gross writes: >What is the proper thing to do with old SLA batteries? Is there a >place on the peninsula where I can deposit them? Call your city's waste disposal agency. Many of them do take "household batteries" at curbside and may take lead acid too. -- William R Ward bill at wards.net http://bill.wards.net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help save the San Jose Earthquakes - http://www.soccersiliconvalley.com/ From greg.edwards at lmco.com Sat Jan 1 12:49:41 2005 From: greg.edwards at lmco.com (Edwards, Greg) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:49:41 -0800 Subject: ISSA/Infragard security conference on January 18th Message-ID: <982A2933712F3740921D842654ED470D0B1E961C@emss01m12.us.lmco.com> Note that it is only $75 (cheaper if you are an ISSA or InfraGuard member) and includes all food. Greg, going to it -----Original Message----- From: owner-baylisa at baylisa.org [mailto:owner-baylisa at baylisa.org] On Behalf Of Derek Wong at Velociguard.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:12 PM To: baylisa at baylisa.org Subject: ISSA/Infragard security conference on January 18th Here is a security conference that may be of interest to some BayLisa members. Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------- ISSA, Silicon Valley and San Francisco & San Francisco Bay Area InfraGard Presents Security Conference: Cornerstones of Trust - Securing the Future January 18, 2005 Crowne Plaza, Foster City,CA More info and registration at www.cornerstonesoftrust.org Join the International Systems Security Association (ISSA) Silicon Valley and San Francisco Chapters and the Bay Area InfraGard for our Annual Security Conference, Cornerstones of Trust - Securing the Future. We have the top Security experts from Business, Technology and Standards and Compliance communities offering real world solutions, how to's and case studies for building an effective security framework necessary to maintain trust, in today's hostile environment. OUR MISSION Cornerstones of Trust - Securing the Future acts as a catalyst to bring together the Bay Area security community for an ongoing exchange, addressing the needs, interests and issues of trust that security practitioners and managers are experiencing today. CONFERENCE TAKE AWAY As an attendee, you will come away with. a.. Deeper understanding of what it takes to secure your organization's IT systems and information. b.. Actionable tools and techniques that can be implemented for increased security. c.. Knowledge of how other Security professionals view and prepare for the next level of threats. 4 conference tracks and 20+ invited speakers NETWORK WITH TOP SECURITY VENDORS Network with over 30 Security Vendor/Exhibitors from the most established solution providers to the newest technology companies each providing next generation products for securing the enterprise. WHO ATTENDS? a.. CIOs & CSOs b.. Information Security Managers & Directors c.. Security Specialists & Staff d.. IT and Network Security Attorneys e.. Systems Analysts f.. Network Engineers g.. Network and Systems Managers & Administrators h.. Webmasters i.. Technical Engineers If you are responsible for, plan, manage, or administer information security, this conference is for you! More info and registration at www.cornerstonesoftrust.org From windsor at warthog.com Sun Jan 2 08:42:14 2005 From: windsor at warthog.com (Rob Windsor) Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:42:14 -0600 Subject: Where to buy UPS batteries? In-Reply-To: <16854.27321.173850.577160@komodo.home.wards.net> References: <20041111193927.GK32543@merlins.org> <20041114154334.GG29461@merlins.org> <20041126223202.GA13662@felix.stimpy.net> <16854.27321.173850.577160@komodo.home.wards.net> Message-ID: <41D82466.60200@warthog.com> William R Ward wrote: >>What is the proper thing to do with old SLA batteries? Is there a >>place on the peninsula where I can deposit them? > Call your city's waste disposal agency. Many of them do take > "household batteries" at curbside and may take lead acid too. Auto parts stores that sell batteries (autozone, pep boys, etc.) have battery disposal pickup runs that they contract out. As such, they typically don't care if you just drop them off there. If you want to be friendly about it, check with a clerk. If you want to be less-than-friendly, just drop it off at the side entrance and drive away. :-) Rob++ -- Internet: windsor at warthog.com __o Life: Rob at Carrollton.Texas.USA.Earth _`\<,_ (_)/ (_) "They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance." -- Major General John Sedgwick From alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com Wed Jan 5 00:50:50 2005 From: alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com (Alvin Oga) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 00:50:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help us rack some gear? In-Reply-To: <41DB51D2.30800@solarflares.net> Message-ID: hi ya rob i've done many installs ... let me know if i can help ... will do some work for free... some i'd want to be paid ... it'd just depends on techie level skills needed or time available or just do some pizza/beer bash sorta thing too socialize to get to know who you wanna invite back for more techie consulting work ?? thanx alvin On Tue, 4 Jan 2005, Rob Cambra wrote: > [Recipient list changed to baylisa-jobs@ during moderation process -- > postmaster] > > Folks, > > Would any of you or someone you know be interested in helping rack some > 6500's and other gear in a data center in San Jose? > > I can guarantee 16hrs. work, with the possibility of more. > > If you can cable well there will be additional work for you. > > Exact dates are TBD but likely the week of Jan 10th. > > This could be more than a one-off, so I would prefer those in a position > to consult on a regular but infrequent basis. From sigje at sigje.org Thu Jan 6 11:32:55 2005 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:32:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: BayLISA General Meeting - Jan 20, 2005 - Alan DuBoff, Solaris 10 Message-ID: BayLISA Monthly Technical Talk & General Meeting Please RSVP to rsvp at baylisa.org so that we can get an idea of how many will be attending. This event is open to the general public. You do not need to be a member to attend, and there is no fee. -------- Where: Apple Computer, Town Hall auditorium Addr: Four Infinite Loop, Cupertino, CA 95014 http://www.baylisa.org/locations/current.html -------- Date: Thursday, January 20, 2005 Time: 7:30pm - 9:30pm PST This is the first general meeting of 2005. We are introducing a Guru Guest Speaker slot to start off the meeting. Our first Guru will be Mark Langston with the topic described below. In addition, we have a lot of books to give out from our sponsors O'Reilly, and Addison Wesley/Prentice Hall PTR, in exchange for a review of the book. BayLISA members get first dibs on books that are available. Become a member now through the website at http://www.baylisa.org/cgi-bin/newentry.cgi. Solaris 10 - Alan DuBoff Alan will be talking about Sun's latest OS, Solaris 10. Alan will show some of the features of Solaris 10, along with key points of what is included in this release. Some of the features include DTrace, N1 Grid Containers, ZFS, X server(s), Java Desktop Systems, PXE install for x86/AMD64, StarOffice, as well as differences between this release and some of the previous releases. Solaris 10 supports SPARC processors as well as 32-bit x86 processors and 64-bit AMD64 processors. About Alan DuBoff Alan is currently working at Sun Microsystems with a role as a Solaris x86 Evangelist, being a liaison between the Solaris Community and Sun's Engineering. He is actively working to help improve Solaris on x86/AMD64 systems. Previous to joining Sun, Alan was one of the community representatives which met with Sun to discuss the future of Solaris x86. This was after Sun's infamous announcement that Solaris 9 on x86 would be indefinitely delayed. He has played a key role in turning their decision around as well as helping to make Solaris on x86/AMD64 one of the long term strategies in Sun's portfolio for volume systems. Prior to joining Sun Microsystems, Alan was an independent consultant for more than 20 years, specialising on microcomputer architectures. He has consulted at many of the large companies in Silicon Valley as well as Japan where he lived for 5 years. He has been involved in open source software since it was called "public domain software", at which time people were using 300 baud acoustic couplers to transfer the sources around on BBS systems. Some of his previous clients have included, IBM, Cisco, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, Taligent, Puma Technologies, TellMe, WebVan, VA Linux Systems, 3Com, Kerbango, Power TV, Dai-Ichi Kikaku, NEC, J. Walter Thompson, and various others. Guru in Session - Mark Langston Mark C. Langston will discuss the evolutionary arms race between packet sniffers, sniffer detectors, and sniffer detector evasion. Mark C. Langston has done a bit of everything: soldered, tape jockeyed, reported, maintained, upgraded, bought, sold, managed, developed, specified, wheedled, juggled, panicked, published, deployed, rolled back, instructed, led, followed, lectured, listened, caffeinated, crashed, secured, penetrated, backed up, and restored. He's been a systems administrator for fifteen years in a wide variety of roles and environments, typically working with scientists, reserachers, and developers. He's recently decided to try his hand as a full-time software developer. Why not? He's caused them enough grief over the years. Upcoming Events for February - Zach Levow, VP of Engineering and Co-founder of Barracuda Networks speaking on Spam Firewalls, and running a company based on Open Source software. -------- BayLISA meets every month on the 3rd Thursday of the month. A short period of announcements of general interest to the sysadmin community is presented, followed by a technical talk. Anyone may make an announcement; typical are upcoming presentations, user group meetings, employment offers, etc. For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/. Directions and details about the current meeting and future events: http://www.baylisa.org/events/ BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. Tape library is often available at the general meeting, or for more information on available videos, please send email to "video at baylisa.org". If you know that you will miss a meeting that you'd like to see, send a request prior to the meeting to have a copy of the meeting sent out. If you have suggestions for speakers, or would like to volunteer, please email the Board at "blw at baylisa.org". Thanks! From sigje at sigje.org Thu Jan 6 18:05:23 2005 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:05:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Training Discount with http://www.skillsoft.com Message-ID: I'm copying this from the original format to text to avoid attachments, so ignore the odd looking format of the attachment. The BayLISA Member Services committee have negotiated with SmartCertify to get a discount to BayLISA for the Unlimited Training Library which gives you access to all the courses. The list price is $2500, but using the BayLISA special discount, you can get it for $1800. To enroll, quote BayLISA 2004 as the code to Richard Martin, rmartin at smartcertify.com, 1-800-653-4933x1095. 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Thanks. -- Shin_ADACHI, CISSP PGP_Key_ID:0x2FCF5179 +1-650-331-0604 ----------------------- Liberty Education Day Date: January 24, 2005 Location: Crowne Plaza Hotel, Palo Alto, CA Registration URL: <> Join members and non-members Jan 24, 2005, in Palo Alto, CA. Confirmed presentersinclude GM, AOL, NTT Data, Neustar and Novell. Excellent opportunity to learndirectly from implementers in this open, interactive format. There are threeopportunities for involvement and education: lunch and open demo session, 11:30-1 developer education track, 1-4:30 business and policy makers education track, 1-4:30 --------------------- Original Message Ends -------------------- From strata at virtual.net Mon Jan 10 13:58:35 2005 From: strata at virtual.net (Strata R. Chalup) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 13:58:35 -0800 Subject: server quote sanity check, please? Message-ID: <41E2FA8B.1040005@virtual.net> I haven't dealt extensively with PC hardware for a few years, and wonder if the folks quoting one of my clients are pretty much in line with the market, or padding a bit much. When I froogle'd around a bit, I could see saving $700 or so without even trying hard, paying online retail. I know vendors have to pay their own bills, but I would think that they'd get a wholesale advantage that would offset online retail pricing. For instance, before sales tax I'm seeing a quote of about $3500 for the following system-- think it's on the money, or out of line? Know someone who can do better with the same parts list? 1U server, Dual XEON w/ 4GB memory & 2 x 250GB Hard Disk: 1 x Supermicro X5DPA-GG Serverboard - http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPA-GG.cfm 2 x Intel XEON 3.2GHz 533MHz 1MB processor 2 x Inttel XEON processor fan 4 x 1GB PC2100 ECC Registered - Kingston# KVR266X72RC25/1GD 1 x Integrated ATI Rage XL Graphics 1 x Integrated Dual Intel Gigabit Ethernet Controllers 1 x Maxtor 40GB 133/7200 IDE Hard Disk 2 x Maxtor 250GB 133/7200 IDE Hard Disk 1 x 1.44MB Floppy Disk 1 x Slim IDE CD-ROM Drive 1 x Supermicro 1U Rackmount Chassis w/ 420watts power - http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/1U/811/SC811i-420.cfm Thanks much. Will summarize replies and feed back to the list. cheers, Strata -- ======================================================================== Strata Rose Chalup [KF6NBZ] strata "@" virtual.net VirtualNet Consulting http://www.virtual.net/ ** Project Management & Architecture for ISP/ASP Systems Integration ** ========================================================================= From jxh at jxh.com Mon Jan 10 14:53:25 2005 From: jxh at jxh.com (Jim Hickstein) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:53:25 -0600 Subject: server quote sanity check, please? In-Reply-To: <41E2FA8B.1040005@virtual.net> References: <41E2FA8B.1040005@virtual.net> Message-ID: > I could see saving $700 or so without even trying hard, paying online > retail. I know vendors have to pay their own bills, but I would think > that they'd get a wholesale advantage that would offset online retail > pricing. The overhead that causes the differential is support. Many mail-order firms probably don't have much overhead. For an extra $700, I would stick with a reputable dealer I could physically go and shake. I'd also push back on the price, but probably stick with the local outfit. Much above that delta and I might find another dealer. OTOH, I have built my own systems from (high-end) cases and parts I bought on eBay. I really like the Intel SR-2100 and its later versions. But I was probably stupid to waste my time on this. It was a lot of goofing around and flashing the BIOS, etc., even with one vendor for the whole thing. (And in one of the eBay transactions, the seller _actually died_ after taking my money and before shipping out the part, and I lost $300 for not claiming sooner. :-O But that's another story.) From ahorn at deorth.org Mon Jan 10 15:14:04 2005 From: ahorn at deorth.org (Alan Horn) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:14:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: server quote sanity check, please? In-Reply-To: References: <41E2FA8B.1040005@virtual.net> Message-ID: > > OTOH, I have built my own systems from (high-end) cases and parts I bought > on eBay. I really like the Intel SR-2100 and its later versions. But I > was probably stupid to waste my time on this. It was a lot of goofing > around and flashing the BIOS, etc., even with one vendor for the whole > thing. (And in one of the eBay transactions, the seller _actually died_ > after taking my money and before shipping out the part, and I lost $300 for > not claiming sooner. :-O But that's another story.) > I just don't bother building my own systems for deployment anymore. For everything but the lowest budget situations its not worth the worry of wondering if I got it all right. My time is better spent elsewhere in sysadmin ;) Cheers, Al From strata at virtual.net Mon Jan 10 15:55:14 2005 From: strata at virtual.net (Strata R. Chalup) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:55:14 -0800 Subject: server quote sanity check, please? In-Reply-To: References: <41E2FA8B.1040005@virtual.net> Message-ID: <41E315E2.8050705@virtual.net> Jim Hickstein wrote: > The overhead that causes the differential is support. Many mail-order > firms probably don't have much overhead. For an extra $700, I would stick > with a reputable dealer I could physically go and shake. I'd also push > back on the price, but probably stick with the local outfit. Much above > that delta and I might find another dealer. I agree. Sadly, this is a dealer who, while reputable, is much more of the "build it and shove it out the door" model than offering any support of any kind, fee-based, warranty, or otherwise. I'm not looking to self-build, I'm looking to either get a price break on the current "take the money and run" type dealer, or find out that there are places who will cost as much but actually DO something to earn the price differential. Alan Horn wrote: > I just don't bother building my own systems for deployment anymore. For > everything but the lowest budget situations its not worth the worry of > wondering if I got it all right. My time is better spent elsewhere in > sysadmin ;) With these folks, I honestly think we might be better off building the systems ourselves, ordering components from reputable online firms (no bottom-fishing on eBay). And I don't believe in building my own systems for production use at client sites, so that tells you something about the vendor right there, eh? cheers, Strata -- ======================================================================== Strata Rose Chalup [KF6NBZ] strata "@" virtual.net VirtualNet Consulting http://www.virtual.net/ ** Project Management & Architecture for ISP/ASP Systems Integration ** ========================================================================= From alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com Mon Jan 10 16:41:15 2005 From: alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com (Alvin Oga) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 16:41:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: server quote sanity check, please? In-Reply-To: <41E2FA8B.1040005@virtual.net> Message-ID: hi ya strata On Mon, 10 Jan 2005, Strata R. Chalup wrote: > retail. I know vendors have to pay their own bills, but I would think > that they'd get a wholesale advantage that would offset online retail > pricing. "wholesale" pricing for cpu/memory/disks ia bout 5% difference between retail and wholesale for say 100 pieces - dell/ibm/hp that buys 1,000,000 units might get a better price break "online webstores" can be 10%-25% cheaper than other webstores - sometimes they have it in stock, sometimes ( usually ) not in stock at that "lower price" ( bait-n-switch ) ( i assume everybody calls in their order by phone vs giving, ( the webstore all the info they need to place your order ( to confirm availability and price and shipping date - watch out for stores that do NOT carry inventory even if everything you want is listed and priced - supermicro, in general, is good mb ... :-) ( you pay for what you get ) ( that the serverworks chipset is good ) $ 275 > 1 x Supermicro X5DPA-GG Serverboard - > http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/E7501/X5DPA-GG.cfm $1400 > 2 x Intel XEON 3.2GHz 533MHz 1MB processor ( why not use FSB800 cpu ?? ) $ 60 > 2 x Inttel XEON processor fan - if downtime is to be avoided: = avoid systems with only 1 cpu fan = avoid systems with single point of failures ( of fans ) ( ie..those silly paper to guide air from the one blowerfan ) - $100 - $150 in additional fans is a good thing and to cool the memory and disks $1200 > 4 x 1GB PC2100 ECC Registered - Kingston# KVR266X72RC25/1GD == == note that 1GD is dual-bank and probablyonly works with AMD cpu == on mb > 1 x Integrated ATI Rage XL Graphics on mb > 1 x Integrated Dual Intel Gigabit Ethernet Controllers $ 40 > 1 x Maxtor 40GB 133/7200 IDE Hard Disk $ 225 > 2 x Maxtor 250GB 133/7200 IDE Hard Disk $ 12 > 1 x 1.44MB Floppy Disk $ 60 > 1 x Slim IDE CD-ROM Drive > 1 x Supermicro 1U Rackmount Chassis w/ 420watts power - > http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/1U/811/SC811i-420.cfm $ 50 get a good 420W power supply or 500+ .. ( avoid cheap ps ) $ 250 generic 1U chassis ------ --------------------- $ 3572 parts-off-the shelf-from any tom-dick-n-harry website labor costs to order all them parts labor costs to build, install, test labor costs to return bad parts c ya alvin From david at catwhisker.org Tue Jan 11 19:04:59 2005 From: david at catwhisker.org (David Wolfskill) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:04:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help with Cricket [RedHat Linux, Apache2, Perl-5.8]? Message-ID: <200501120304.j0C34xPQ051207@bunrab.catwhisker.org> I confess that my prior exposure to Linux (in general) has been quite limited, and that I have never before tried to do anything with either Apache 2.x or Perl 5.8. For those who do not know, my recent background (since Feb 1998) has been primarily in FreeBSD. An acquaintance mentioned that he wanted to have a better idea than he currently had ("currently" based on representations from his ISP) regarding the utilization patterns for his T-1 from UUNet. It seemed to me that Cricket would likely be a simple approach that would address his concerns quickly and easily. The acquaintance in question is presently using RedHat Linux on the machines to which I have access; he seems reasonably comfortable with it at this time, though he does not have on-staff sysadmin help, and appears to do some sysadmin-ish things himself, or hires other things out. (I had recently set up a caching-only name server for him to take the place of one on a machine whose disk drive had died.) It seems that I have grossly underestimated the challenge in store for me in getting Cricket installed, configured, and running. I was finally(!) able to get the various bits and pieces required for Cricket installed. And I made an initial stab at the configuration, along with setting up the data gathering. But when I tried to look at the results (via a Web browser), I got the infamous "Internal Server Error" back from the Web server. (I got this far last night.) It wasn't until I did an "ls -ltr" in /var/log/httpd that I noticed that the file "suexec.log" was being updated along with "access.log" and "error.log" -- and that "tail suexec.log" showed: [2005-01-11 17:45:43]: uid: (509/cricket) gid: (509/509) cmd: grapher.cgi [2005-01-11 17:45:43]: directory is writable by others: (/usr/local/cricket/public_html/cricket) OK; fine. "chmod g-w /usr/local/cricket/public_html/cricket" took care of that. But I got similar symptoms on re-try; suexec.log now said: [2005-01-11 17:56:20]: uid: (509/cricket) gid: (509/509) cmd: grapher.cgi [2005-01-11 17:56:20]: command not in docroot (/usr/local/cricket/cricket-1.0.4/grapher.cgi) Oh, joy. :-( As noted, I had not had occasion to deal with Apache 2.x or suEXEC before. According to my reading of the docs at www.apache.org, it seems that suEXEC should handle CGI scripts that reside in UserDirs, but the message would appear to indicate otherwise. Those docs at www.apache.org indicate quite a few configuration options, but they look as if they are compile-time options. And I don't see much way to determine what compile-time options were used to configure a running instance of Apache. I found one Web site that indicated that if suEXEC were in use, one should copy the CGI scripts to the "DocumentRoot" -- which strikes me as a very strange thing to want to do, at best. I ran across some other pages that indicated a possibility of a problem with Perl 5.8, though I do not know if that might also be an issue. So: is there some plausibly rational way to install Cricket on a RedHat Linux system using Apache 2.0.46 as the Web server and with Perl 5.8 as the installed Perl, so that the whole thing works (and does not disrupt other services using Perl and/or Apache)? [I am *incredibly* frustrated at this point: Had I not experienced this for myself, I would not have believed it would have taken anywhere near this long -- the installation & getting basic stuff working took about 30 minutes, tops, the first time I ever did *anything* with Cricket... on a FreeBSD 4.11 system. For this exercise, I needed to fetch the bits and pieces myself, which wasn't so terribly bad, but then the generated Makefile for Time-HiRes-1.65 had all kinds of bizarre syntax errors (odd number of "'" on a line; lines missing chunks...). And, of course, I am very unfamiliar with RPM, so that didn't help much. But this stuff with suEXEC is the most perverse aspect yet. Eh; enough ranting....] Clues? Help? Thanks, david -- David H. Wolfskill david at catwhisker.org There always has been more to "Open Source" than just GNU/Linux. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for public key. From alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com Tue Jan 11 20:55:08 2005 From: alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com (Alvin Oga) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:55:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help with Cricket [RedHat Linux, Apache2, Perl-5.8]? In-Reply-To: <200501120304.j0C34xPQ051207@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: hi ya david On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, David Wolfskill wrote: > An acquaintance mentioned that he wanted to have a better idea than > he currently had .. > It seemed to me that Cricket would likely be a simple approach that > would address his concerns quickly and easily. what are the requirements ?? mrtg is also another popular look-n-see > It seems that I have grossly underestimated the challenge in store for > me in getting Cricket installed, configured, and running. for rh boxes ... you have 2 choices - install the precompiled binaries or use the original source - to install precompiled binaries rpm -ivh cricket-xxx.i386.rpm - sources http://prdownloads.sf.net/cricket - yahoo# "rpm cricket" should find those > As noted, I had not had occasion to deal with Apache 2.x or suEXEC before. i think it's a bad thing to have suEXEC .. - simpler to move the binaries into cgi-bin > Those docs at www.apache.org indicate quite a few configuration options, too many options in my book > I found one Web site that indicated that if suEXEC were in use, one should > copy the CGI scripts to the "DocumentRoot" -- which strikes me as a > very strange thing to want to do, at best. yup, probably from one that puts everything in one directory and doesnt use /cgi-bin/ > So: is there some plausibly rational way to install Cricket on a RedHat > Linux system using Apache 2.0.46 as the Web server and with Perl 5.8 as if there are problems ... first thing i do is upgrade to the latest apps ( apache-2.0.52 ) > I needed to fetch the bits and pieces myself, which wasn't so terribly > bad, but then the generated Makefile for Time-HiRes-1.65 had all kinds > of bizarre syntax errors (odd number of "'" on a line; lines missing > chunks...). depending on what the syntax errors.. it could be a problem but sounds like the perl modules ( Time-HiRes ) is having problems > And, of course, I am very unfamiliar with RPM, so that > didn't help much. you can get around any rpm problem by using source code and compile the apps > But this stuff with suEXEC is the most perverse > aspect yet. Eh; enough ranting....] :-) any other cricket errors ?? - or is it working ?? in that it shows some pretty pics have fun alvin From henry at vatican.com Tue Jan 11 21:52:54 2005 From: henry at vatican.com (Henry Goldwire) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:52:54 -0800 Subject: Help with Cricket [RedHat Linux, Apache2, Perl-5.8]? References: Message-ID: <002c01c4f86a$f642eee0$5901a8c0@instant802.com> don't use cricket. it's too hard. use JFFNMS (http://www.jffnms.org/) or Cacti (http://www.cacti.net/), both of which are simple to set up (you end up configuring PHP and apache rather than hand-building all kinds of obnoxious cricket and/or rrd configs), _easily_ flexible, and can do monitor/graph lots of good stuff. In my opinion JFFNMS whomps cacti in the long run, and will also give your nagios/big brother/whatever a run for its money. -- henry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alvin Oga" To: "David Wolfskill" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Help with Cricket [RedHat Linux, Apache2, Perl-5.8]? > > hi ya david > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, David Wolfskill wrote: > >> An acquaintance mentioned that he wanted to have a better idea than >> he currently had > .. >> It seemed to me that Cricket would likely be a simple approach that >> would address his concerns quickly and easily. > > what are the requirements ?? > mrtg is also another popular look-n-see > >> It seems that I have grossly underestimated the challenge in store for >> me in getting Cricket installed, configured, and running. > > for rh boxes ... you have 2 choices > - install the precompiled binaries or use the original source > > - to install precompiled binaries > rpm -ivh cricket-xxx.i386.rpm > > - sources > http://prdownloads.sf.net/cricket > > > - yahoo# "rpm cricket" should find those > >> As noted, I had not had occasion to deal with Apache 2.x or suEXEC >> before. > > i think it's a bad thing to have suEXEC .. > - simpler to move the binaries into cgi-bin > >> Those docs at www.apache.org indicate quite a few configuration options, > > too many options in my book > >> I found one Web site that indicated that if suEXEC were in use, one >> should >> copy the CGI scripts to the "DocumentRoot" -- which strikes me as a >> very strange thing to want to do, at best. > > yup, probably from one that puts everything in one directory and doesnt > use /cgi-bin/ > >> So: is there some plausibly rational way to install Cricket on a RedHat >> Linux system using Apache 2.0.46 as the Web server and with Perl 5.8 as > > if there are problems ... first thing i do is upgrade to the latest > apps ( apache-2.0.52 ) > >> I needed to fetch the bits and pieces myself, which wasn't so terribly >> bad, but then the generated Makefile for Time-HiRes-1.65 had all kinds >> of bizarre syntax errors (odd number of "'" on a line; lines missing >> chunks...). > > depending on what the syntax errors.. it could be a problem > > but sounds like the perl modules ( Time-HiRes ) is having problems > >> And, of course, I am very unfamiliar with RPM, so that >> didn't help much. > > you can get around any rpm problem by using source code > and compile the apps > >> But this stuff with suEXEC is the most perverse >> aspect yet. Eh; enough ranting....] > > :-) > > any other cricket errors ?? - or is it working ?? > in that it shows some pretty pics > > have fun > alvin > From alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com Tue Jan 11 22:11:52 2005 From: alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com (Alvin Oga) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 22:11:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help with Cricket [RedHat Linux, Apache2, Perl-5.8]? In-Reply-To: <200501120304.j0C34xPQ051207@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: hi ya david a few more options ... On Tue, 11 Jan 2005, David Wolfskill wrote: > [2005-01-11 17:56:20]: uid: (509/cricket) gid: (509/509) cmd: grapher.cgi > [2005-01-11 17:56:20]: command not in docroot (/usr/local/cricket/cricket-1.0.4/grapher.cgi) how about some manual testing.. su - webmaster ( or whatever UID apache is running as ) webmaster# ./cricket webmaster# ./grapher.cgi > And in /var/log/httpd/suexec.log, I see: > > [2005-01-11 17:56:20]: uid: (509/cricket) gid: (509/509) cmd: grapher.cgi > [2005-01-11 17:56:20]: command not in docroot (/usr/local/cricket/cricket-1.0.4/grapher.cgi) ( cricket is looking for grapher.cgi ) it's probably looking for "grapher.cgi" to be in /home/httpd/htdocs or equivalent - move it or add a symlink - check for apache execute permissions too c ya alvin From vince at litrium.com Tue Jan 11 23:32:25 2005 From: vince at litrium.com (Vince Hoang) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:32:25 -1000 Subject: Help with Cricket [RedHat Linux, Apache2, Perl-5.8]? In-Reply-To: <002c01c4f86a$f642eee0$5901a8c0@instant802.com> References: <002c01c4f86a$f642eee0$5901a8c0@instant802.com> Message-ID: <20050112073225.GC27638@litrium.com> On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 09:52:54PM -0800, Henry Goldwire wrote: > don't use cricket. it's too hard. use JFFNMS > (http://www.jffnms.org/) or Cacti (http://www.cacti.net/), > both of which are simple to set up (you end up configuring PHP > and apache rather than hand-building all kinds of obnoxious > cricket and/or rrd configs), _easily_ flexible, and can do > monitor/graph lots of good stuff. In my opinion JFFNMS whomps > cacti in the long run, and will also give your nagios/big > brother/whatever a run for its money. The one advantage that cacti has over the others is that there are already prebuilt RPMs from who I consider a reliable 3rd party packager: http://dag.wieers.com/packages/cacti/ -Vince From vince at litrium.com Tue Jan 11 23:37:14 2005 From: vince at litrium.com (Vince Hoang) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:37:14 -1000 Subject: Help with Cricket [RedHat Linux, Apache2, Perl-5.8]? In-Reply-To: <200501120304.j0C34xPQ051207@bunrab.catwhisker.org> References: <200501120304.j0C34xPQ051207@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: <20050112073714.GD27638@litrium.com> On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 07:04:59PM -0800, David Wolfskill wrote: > Those docs at www.apache.org indicate quite a few configuration > options, but they look as if they are compile-time options. And > I don't see much way to determine what compile-time options > were used to configure a running instance of Apache. I believe it boils down to setting ExecCGI for the proper directory or copying the .cgi to an already enabled directory. There really is not a major difference in the configuration between apache 1 and 2. -Vince From sigje at sigje.org Sun Jan 16 03:50:40 2005 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 03:50:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Java Seminar training - 50% Feb 5, 2005 Message-ID: Another discount for BayLISA, 50% off the $199 Java Seminar training coming up on Saturday, February 5, 2005 at the Hurricane Electric Fremont, California facility. (so $99.50 for the 6 hour class!) I attended the November Perl training with Randal Schwartz, and I wanted to give you an idea of my experience. ( I am already signed up for the Java seminar because of the excellent experience I had in November. I'm hoping that BayLISA can work with HE to host some more hardcore SA type training as well. ) First, normally the Perl course that was offered is done over 3 days. It was packed into 6 hours. Breakfast was catered, as was lunch. Training book was provided with lots of space to take notes. Also, at the end of the training, Randal's book "Learning Perl Objects, References, and Modules" was given out. Randal really knows his topic, and answered all questions drilling down to the root of the question and handling wayward questions quite capabley (you know the type of question that leads the talk off into the wilderness leaving some lost, others bored..). The course was Unix centric, but is applicable pretty much anywhere you can find perl. I was interested to see that he uses emacs, and is a LISP expert as well. One of the fun aspects was that he used Gilligan's Island in his examples to be a little different, and yet applicable through the different concepts he was teaching. It wasn't just about being cute with the training materials. I've heard arguments for and against perl being object oriented, and Randal basically cut straight to the point and showed how perl is object oriented rather than focusing on all the terminology. It was different than I've seen OO taught before, and from the looks on people's faces, quite helpful. He linerialized the knowledge taking students from point to point, building solid foundations of understanding, then introducing the concepts. Why would a sysadmin take this intermediate perl class? It's a fundamental class for sysadmins wanting to create a library of reuseable code to solve problems, and to share back with the community. For me it also gave me a good reflection of how much I knew (the first few hours was a fast paced review with kernels of wisdom as I learned a better way to do some things), and introduced me to writing my own modules. For individuals who haven't had a lot of perl experience, I'd advise the Beginner class first. Randal does speak fast and if you don't have a solid understanding of perl basics, you shouldn't jump in to the Intermediate class. So why would a sysadmin take a Java class? Well, I believe strongly in the idea that you have to be at least acquainted to the many languages out there. Depending on your role in your environment, you may find yourself supporting an application that is based on Java, or debugging system resource issues caused by java applications. There is also no need to limit yourself from expanding your repertoire to include the capability to understand the development process better. If you are having problems finding a job maintaining systems/network/security, getting some skills in development might not be so bad. Or maybe you have always wanted to create that swiss army knife type tool that you've not found anywhere. I look forward to seeing any of you who can make it to the training! The following is the information I received from Tiffany from HE. "Better Software, Faster: Java Seminar" On Saturday, February 5, 2005, Hurricane Electric is hosting "Better Software, Faster," an informative Java seminar. Mike Clark, consultant, speaker, programmer and author of Pragmatic Project Automation (The Pragmatic Bookshelf, 2004) will lead the comprehensive seminar, designed for all Java software developers who have a working knowledge of Java and basic OO concepts. The seminar will focus on three key topics pertinent to Java software developers: writing good code, test-driven development, and project automation. Writing good code will focus on writing clean code, test-driven development will explore 12 practical ways to start writing JUnit tests, and project automation will give participants the recipes for automating software projects. Attendees will receive a free copy of Mike Clark's new book, "Pragmatic Project Automation." BayLISA members will receive a 50% discount on the $199 seminar fee. For more information and to register for this event, check out http://www.he.net/seminar/java.html, call 510-580-4141 or email Tiffany Morales at tmorales at he.net. When registering online, place BayLISA in the Company field of the registration form. If you are calling, or emailing Tiffany, make sure to mention BayLISA to receive the discount. -- Jennifer Davis BayLISA From sigje at sigje.org Mon Jan 17 17:02:07 2005 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:02:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: BayLISA Monthly: Jan 20, 2005 - Alan DuBoff Solaris 10 In-Reply-To: <40D0AAFB.50903@virtual.net> References: <40D0AAFB.50903@virtual.net> Message-ID: BayLISA Monthly Technical Talk & General Meeting Please RSVP to rsvp at baylisa.org so that we can get an idea of how many will be attending. This event is open to the general public. You do not need to be a member to attend, and there is no fee. -------- Where: Apple Computer, Town Hall auditorium Addr: Four Infinite Loop, Cupertino, CA 95014 http://www.baylisa.org/locations/current.html -------- Date: Thursday, January 20, 2005 Time: 7:30pm - 9:30pm PST Please be prompt! The meeting will be starting at 7:30pm. This is the first general meeting of 2005. We are introducing a Guru Guest Speaker slot to start off the meeting. Our first Guru will be Mark Langston with the topic described below. In addition, we have a lot of books to give out from our sponsors O'Reilly, and Addison Wesley/Prentice Hall PTR, in exchange for a review of the book. BayLISA members get first dibs on books that are available. Become a member now through the website at http://www.baylisa.org/cgi-bin/newentry.cgi. Solaris 10 - Alan DuBoff Alan will be talking about Sun's latest OS, Solaris 10. Alan will show some of the features of Solaris 10, along with key points of what is included in this release. Some of the features include DTrace, N1 Grid Containers, ZFS, X server(s), Java Desktop Systems, PXE install for x86/AMD64, StarOffice, as well as differences between this release and some of the previous releases. Solaris 10 supports SPARC processors as well as 32-bit x86 processors and 64-bit AMD64 processors. About Alan DuBoff Alan is currently working at Sun Microsystems with a role as a Solaris x86 Evangelist, being a liaison between the Solaris Community and Sun's Engineering. He is actively working to help improve Solaris on x86/AMD64 systems. Previous to joining Sun, Alan was one of the community representatives which met with Sun to discuss the future of Solaris x86. This was after Sun's infamous announcement that Solaris 9 on x86 would be indefinitely delayed. He has played a key role in turning their decision around as well as helping to make Solaris on x86/AMD64 one of the long term strategies in Sun's portfolio for volume systems. Prior to joining Sun Microsystems, Alan was an independent consultant for more than 20 years, specialising on microcomputer architectures. He has consulted at many of the large companies in Silicon Valley as well as Japan where he lived for 5 years. He has been involved in open source software since it was called "public domain software", at which time people were using 300 baud acoustic couplers to transfer the sources around on BBS systems. Some of his previous clients have included, IBM, Cisco, Oracle, Sun Microsystems, Taligent, Puma Technologies, TellMe, WebVan, VA Linux Systems, 3Com, Kerbango, Power TV, Dai-Ichi Kikaku, NEC, J. Walter Thompson, and various others. Guru in Session - Mark Langston Mark C. Langston will discuss the evolutionary arms race between packet sniffers, sniffer detectors, and sniffer detector evasion. Mark C. Langston has done a bit of everything: soldered, tape jockeyed, reported, maintained, upgraded, bought, sold, managed, developed, specified, wheedled, juggled, panicked, published, deployed, rolled back, instructed, led, followed, lectured, listened, caffeinated, crashed, secured, penetrated, backed up, and restored. He's been a systems administrator for fifteen years in a wide variety of roles and environments, typically working with scientists, reserachers, and developers. He's recently decided to try his hand as a full-time software developer. Why not? He's caused them enough grief over the years. Upcoming Events February - Zach Levow, VP of Engineering and Co-founder of Barracuda Networks speaking on Spam Firewalls, and running a company based on Open Source software. March - Tom Jackiewicz speaking on LDAP. -------- Discounts Get $50 off admissions to OSDL Enterprise Linux Summit - Jan 31 - Feb 2, 2005 Training discount with SmartCertify..Get the Unlimited Training Library for $1800 (list price $2500) 50% off Hurricane Electric's Java Seminar Training - Feb 5, 2005 Contact blw at baylisa.org for more details about these discounts. -------- BayLISA meets every month on the 3rd Thursday of the month. A short period of announcements of general interest to the sysadmin community is presented, followed by a technical talk. Anyone may make an announcement; typical are upcoming presentations, user group meetings, employment offers, etc. For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/. Directions and details about the current meeting and future events: http://www.baylisa.org/events/ BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. Tape library is often available at the general meeting, or for more information on available videos, please send email to "video at baylisa.org". If you know that you will miss a meeting that you'd like to see, send a request prior to the meeting to have a copy of the meeting sent out. If you have suggestions for speakers, or would like to volunteer, please email the Board at "blw at baylisa.org". Thanks! From rlareau at speakeasy.net Tue Jan 18 15:23:06 2005 From: rlareau at speakeasy.net (Rich LaReau) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:23:06 -0800 Subject: NAS or SAN? Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118150119.03d92d10@mail.speakeasy.net> Hi all, One of my customers is looking to expand their storage, and has asked for some advice about what's available, etc. I've used one of the new Linksys Etherfast devices which seemed simple and robust, but was wondering if anybody here has had more experience with other pure NAS devices, something like NetApps or even an iSCSI SAN router like the one from Sanrad? Is it pretty much a price/storage/speed issue, or would you pay more for something more "standard?" Thanks! Rich From alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com Tue Jan 18 16:21:59 2005 From: alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com (Alvin Oga) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:21:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: NAS or SAN? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118150119.03d92d10@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Rich LaReau wrote: > One of my customers is looking to expand their storage, and has asked for > some advice about what's available, etc. I've used one of the new Linksys > Etherfast devices which seemed simple and robust, but was wondering if > anybody here has had more experience with other pure NAS devices, something > like NetApps or even an iSCSI SAN router like the one from Sanrad? Is it > pretty much a price/storage/speed issue, or would you pay more for > something more "standard?" you'd be paying "lot less" for something more "standard" than san/nas ... 1TB ( 4x 300GB @ $250 ) is cheap ( still one 1U chassis ) 12TB - 15TB ( blades ) in 4U starts to get pricy in terms of "time" and backup process/proceedure/policy/scripting if they have emc/brocade and other vendors... it's best to stay with those vendors to minimize incompatibilities and finger pointing if they simply "mount remote-backup:/opt/BACKUP /mnt/BACKUP" to their local servers, than simple secure nfs will be 5x cheaper and just as fast or faster with the same fiber nic cards c ya alvin From bagio at genesyslab.com Tue Jan 18 18:03:04 2005 From: bagio at genesyslab.com (Sergey Galitskiy) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:03:04 -0800 Subject: NAS or SAN? In-Reply-To: ; from alvin@Mail.Linux-Consulting.com on Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 04:21:59PM -0800 References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118150119.03d92d10@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <20050118180304.C85079@lotos.genesyslab.com> As usual, it depends on tasks/requirements/budget * proposed 1TB ( 4x 300GB @ $250 ) solution is OK, but I can see only ~500GB of reliable (RAID 1) usable storage Besides, there is no scalability and performance can suffer as well (I assume ATA drives, based on price) * NetApps are really great (robust and quite easy to deploy) but pricey and have limited functionality (embeded OS) * FC SAN can be pricey too, but fast, flexible and extremely scalable If you ok with previous generation (1GB) and used HW, FC SAN can be affordable also * iSCSI or FCIP are new and not widely supported * I completely support the idea to stick with one vendor to minimize incompatibilities - e.g. Sun provides full product line to build FC SAN: storage, FC switches, HBA, servers and software * This resource can be useful: http://storagemagazine.techtarget.com/ On Tue, Jan 18, 2005 at 04:21:59PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Rich LaReau wrote: > > > One of my customers is looking to expand their storage, and has asked for > > some advice about what's available, etc. I've used one of the new Linksys > > Etherfast devices which seemed simple and robust, but was wondering if > > anybody here has had more experience with other pure NAS devices, something > > like NetApps or even an iSCSI SAN router like the one from Sanrad? Is it > > pretty much a price/storage/speed issue, or would you pay more for > > something more "standard?" > > you'd be paying "lot less" for something more "standard" than san/nas ... > > 1TB ( 4x 300GB @ $250 ) is cheap ( still one 1U chassis ) > > 12TB - 15TB ( blades ) in 4U starts to get pricy in terms of > "time" and backup process/proceedure/policy/scripting > > if they have emc/brocade and other vendors... it's best to stay with > those vendors to minimize incompatibilities and finger pointing > > if they simply "mount remote-backup:/opt/BACKUP /mnt/BACKUP" > to their local servers, than simple secure nfs will be 5x cheaper and just > as fast or faster with the same fiber nic cards > > c ya > alvin > ________________ Regards, Sergey Galitskiy From alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com Tue Jan 18 19:19:47 2005 From: alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com (Alvin Oga) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 19:19:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: NAS or SAN? In-Reply-To: <20050118180304.C85079@lotos.genesyslab.com> Message-ID: hi ya sergey On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Sergey Galitskiy wrote: > As usual, it depends on tasks/requirements/budget :-) and the "manager/decision maker" > * proposed 1TB ( 4x 300GB @ $250 ) solution is OK, "ok" for the budget contraint that wants to build 50TB of storage :-) the most expensive i've seen was $15M for 15TB database apps ( 15TB of pure disks is just over $15K... plus lots of managerial and dept signatures and approvals to get to $15M pricing :-) > but I can see only ~500GB of reliable (RAID 1) usable storage > Besides, there is no scalability and performance can suffer as well > (I assume ATA drives, based on price) i think/claim that 1Us ( 2 or 3TB per 1U ) are extremely flexible and scalable as long as one does not need to store a single file that exceeds the size of the total capacity of the disks i prefer raid5 for incremental/full backups and raid1 for live backups with a dns change to turn it live c ya alvin From lanning at monsoonwind.com Tue Jan 18 20:56:28 2005 From: lanning at monsoonwind.com (Robert Hajime Lanning) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 20:56:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: NAS or SAN? In-Reply-To: References: <20050118180304.C85079@lotos.genesyslab.com> Message-ID: <11637.192.55.4.36.1106110588.squirrel@192.55.4.36> > "ok" for the budget contraint that wants to build 50TB of storage :-) On the "SAN on a budget" note... This looks interesting, http://www.coraid.com/. ~$2500 gets you a 3U 10 blade shelf, you just supply any ATA (not SATA) drives you want. In fact, you can take a drive out of a machine, stick it on a blade and mount it back on the same machine. No special formating. ATA-over-Ethernet. I have only gone over the glossies. Though for the price, I am a bit interested in messing with it at home. -- END OF LINE -MCP From alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com Tue Jan 18 22:43:22 2005 From: alvin at Mail.Linux-Consulting.com (Alvin Oga) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 22:43:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: NAS or SAN? In-Reply-To: <11637.192.55.4.36.1106110588.squirrel@192.55.4.36> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005, Robert Hajime Lanning wrote: > > > "ok" for the budget contraint that wants to build 50TB of storage :-) > > On the "SAN on a budget" note... > > This looks interesting, http://www.coraid.com/. > ~$2500 gets you a 3U 10 blade shelf, you just supply any ATA > (not SATA) drives you want. In fact, you can take a drive > out of a machine, stick it on a blade and mount it back on the > same machine. No special formating. ATA-over-Ethernet. looks like their pcb board that holds the disk and the backplane does the "drive not ready" when the ata disk gets unplugged from the chassis but with 1 disk .. thats just 10 disks ( 3TB ) in 3U ... i like my giant 100-200 TB per 42U rack idea better :-) 40x 1Us with 8 disks each --> 320 disks @ 300GB per disk ( loads of fun with power and cooling and cabling ) c ya alvin From neil at askneil.com Wed Jan 19 09:40:01 2005 From: neil at askneil.com (Neil Katin) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 09:40:01 -0800 Subject: NAS or SAN? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118150119.03d92d10@mail.speakeasy.net> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20050118150119.03d92d10@mail.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <41EE9B71.1060906@askneil.com> If you're in the ATA-disk end of the storage market (emphasizing price, capacity and flexibility more than pure 15k rpm speed...) you may want to check out www.coraid.com. Its similar to iSCSI, but instead of using TCP it uses a packet-over-ethernet scheme. It is not as flexible or scalable as iSCSI, but its faster and cheaper and easier to manage for smaller installations. Its also Linux only at the moment, so if you need windows its not a good fit for you. Neil Rich LaReau wrote: > > Hi all, > > One of my customers is looking to expand their storage, and has asked > for some advice about what's available, etc. I've used one of the new > Linksys Etherfast devices which seemed simple and robust, but was > wondering if anybody here has had more experience with other pure NAS > devices, something like NetApps or even an iSCSI SAN router like the one > from Sanrad? Is it pretty much a price/storage/speed issue, or would > you pay more for something more "standard?" > > Thanks! > > Rich > > > > From sigje at sigje.org Thu Jan 20 11:40:12 2005 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 11:40:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: BayLISA meeting THIS evening! Message-ID: Time: 7:30-9:30 Location: Garage 1, Building 4, Apple Campus Topic: Solaris 10 Speaker: Alan DuBoff Guru: Mark C. Langston We are meeting in the same place as we did in December, the room called Garage 1 at the top of the stairs in Building 4 (the one with all the nice tables and convenient power and internet access). Alan DuBoff will be speaking on Solaris 10, with all the great new features like dtrace, and the decision to open source Solaris. There are rumors of goodies from Sun! Mark C. Langston will discuss the evolutionary arms race between packet sniffers, sniffer detectors, and sniffer detector evasion in a short guru session starting at ~7:40. The meeting will start promptly at 7:30pm, so don't be late! Sign in at the door to make sure to get entered into the raffle for the books from our sponsors O'Reilly and Addison Wesley/Prentice Hall (in exchange for a review of the book). Remember, members get first choice in books, so if you are a member make sure to check out the selection before the meeting starts. If you aren't a member yet, you can sign up on the spot. Jennifer From sigje at sigje.org Fri Jan 21 14:00:48 2005 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:00:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Participants wanted who know Linux and Oracle (fwd) Message-ID: I thought this usability study might be of interest to folks. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:52:18 -0800 From: Marvin Hecht To: members at penlug.org Subject: [PenLUG] Participants wanted who know Linux and Oracle Dear PenLug members, I thought I would forward this announcement from the usability group at Oracle. We are looking for Linux SysAdmin's who have some exposure/experience with Oracle on Linux, to participate in a usability test, evaluating beta software. This is for people employed by some company in the Bay Area other than Oracle or Peoplesoft, that can drive to Oracle HQ. To be considered send an email to usable_us at oracle.com using Subject: Study973 Also--if you don't meet these exact criteria but still want to sign up for future announcements of upcoming studies that need techies, sign up here: http://ui.us.oracle.com/tech.htm ********************************** The Usability and Interface Design Group at Oracle Corporation is looking for participants who have work experiences in Linux System Administration and Oracle Database Administration for a usability activity. You would earn $125 by participating in a 2-3 hour usability activity. (This is not a job posting but an invitation to a 2-3 hour activity). Qualifications of participants should include: * Experience Administering Linux systems * Experience working as a DBA or System Administrator with DBA responsibilities The evaluations will be held at Oracle in Redwood Shores, California (Highway 101, Marine World Parkway/Ralston Ave exit). Evaluations will take place during January 25 to Feb 4. To participate in the study you must meet the following requirements: * Be at least 18 years old. Within driving distance to Oracle HQ. * Must have experience with Linux Administration * Must have experience with Oracle Database Administration If you meet these requirements and are interested, please reply to usable_us at oracle.com using the Subject Line: Study973. To be considered, please include in your e-mail response the following information: ...Your Name: ...Your Employer: ...Your Job Title: ...Type of Linux Systems you administer (Redhat/Suse, etc): ...Months of experience in administering Linux: ...Type of database you administer (e.g. Oracle 8i/DB2/SQL Server, etc): ...Months of experience in administering database: ...Your Daytime Phone #: ...Your Cell Phone # (optional): ...Your Email (if different): Once we receive your response; you may be contacted by phone to be asked a few additional questions for the study. We will respond to e-mails in the order received. Thank you! Usability and Interface Design Group Oracle Corporation From mark at bitshift.org Fri Jan 21 18:25:47 2005 From: mark at bitshift.org (Mark C. Langston) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 18:25:47 -0800 Subject: Good gdb tutorial/references? Message-ID: <20050122022547.GB55113@bitshift.org> First: This isn't a plea for a tool to replace gdb. With that out of the way, are there any decent tutorials or other references for gdb that someone could point me to? The books Stallman wrote are pretty much just verbatim copies of the manpages and help content, and reading through those isn't a great help right now. Specifically, I'd like to see something that addressed debugging coredumps separate from the running process, then perhaps stepping through a running process attempting to reproduce the conditions that caused the core. Even better would be something that addresses dealing with the screwups gdb can make when you're running it against an optimized (but not stripped) (i.e., -g -O2) binary. -- Mark C. Langston The GOSSiP Project mark at bitshift.org http://sourceforge.net/projects/gossip-project/ factotum Distributed, Peer-to-Peer http://bitshift.org E-mail Reputation System From fscked at pacbell.net Fri Jan 21 21:25:52 2005 From: fscked at pacbell.net (richard childers / kg6hac) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:25:52 -0800 Subject: Participants wanted who know Linux and Oracle (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F1E3E0.8080601@pacbell.net> OK, Oracle's gotten a free commercial, that's nice. Here's another interpretation. Let's hope it gets equal airtime. All of the data requested, below, will go into a database, and probably be resold. Something for prospective respondents to think about. Another possibility is that Oracle is looking to replace their current crop of DBAs ... and want to cut the headhunters out of the loop, by building up their own list of fresh, pliable young candidates. Something for respondents to think about. If you get a job this way ... how easily will you sleep, knowing that your employer will do the same to you, later, when it becomes convenient? Because I know a lot of UNIX systems administrators, and others, are concerned about the issues surrounding job security, I do think this deserves equal airtime. This has been a message in the public interest. Seriously. Just because I'm cynical doesn't mean I'm wrong. I've manfully left out all references to http://www.orafraud.org ... (-: Regards, -- richard > Qualifications of participants should include: > > * Experience Administering Linux systems > * Experience working as a DBA or System Administrator with DBA > responsibilities > > The evaluations will be held at Oracle in Redwood Shores, California > (Highway 101, Marine World Parkway/Ralston Ave exit). Evaluations will > take place during January 25 to Feb 4. > > To participate in the study you must meet the following requirements: > > * Be at least 18 years old. Within driving distance to Oracle HQ. > * Must have experience with Linux Administration > * Must have experience with Oracle Database Administration > > If you meet these requirements and are interested, please reply to > usable_us at oracle.com using the Subject > Line: Study973. To be considered, please include in your e-mail response > the following information: > > ...Your Name: > ...Your Employer: > ...Your Job Title: > > ...Type of Linux Systems you administer (Redhat/Suse, etc): > ...Months of experience in administering Linux: > > ...Type of database you administer (e.g. Oracle 8i/DB2/SQL Server, etc): > ...Months of experience in administering database: > > ...Your Daytime Phone #: > ...Your Cell Phone # (optional): > ...Your Email (if different): > > Once we receive your response; you may be contacted by phone to be asked > a few additional questions for the study. -- Richard Childers / Senior Engineer Daemonized Networking Services 945 Taraval Street, #105 San Francisco, CA 94116 USA [011.]1.415.759.5571 http://www.daemonized.com 'A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.' -- (Attributed to J. 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We are > looking for Linux SysAdmin's who have some exposure/experience with > Oracle on Linux, > to participate in a usability test, evaluating beta software. This is > for people employed > by some company in the Bay Area other than Oracle or Peoplesoft, that > can drive to Oracle > HQ. To be considered send an email to usable_us at oracle.com > using Subject: Study973 > > Also--if you don't meet these exact criteria but still want to sign up > for future announcements > of upcoming studies that need techies, sign up here: > http://ui.us.oracle.com/tech.htm > > ********************************** > > The Usability and Interface Design Group at Oracle Corporation is > looking for participants who have work experiences in Linux System > Administration and Oracle Database Administration for a usability > activity. You would earn $125 by participating in a 2-3 hour usability > activity. (This is not a job posting but an invitation to a 2-3 hour > activity). > > Qualifications of participants should include: > > * Experience Administering Linux systems > * Experience working as a DBA or System Administrator with DBA > responsibilities > > The evaluations will be held at Oracle in Redwood Shores, California > (Highway 101, Marine World Parkway/Ralston Ave exit). Evaluations will > take place during January 25 to Feb 4. > > To participate in the study you must meet the following requirements: > > * Be at least 18 years old. Within driving distance to Oracle HQ. > * Must have experience with Linux Administration > * Must have experience with Oracle Database Administration > > If you meet these requirements and are interested, please reply to > usable_us at oracle.com using the Subject > Line: Study973. To be considered, please include in your e-mail response > the following information: > > ...Your Name: > ...Your Employer: > ...Your Job Title: > > ...Type of Linux Systems you administer (Redhat/Suse, etc): > ...Months of experience in administering Linux: > > ...Type of database you administer (e.g. Oracle 8i/DB2/SQL Server, etc): > ...Months of experience in administering database: > > ...Your Daytime Phone #: > ...Your Cell Phone # (optional): > ...Your Email (if different): > > Once we receive your response; you may be contacted by phone to be asked > a few additional questions for the study. We will respond to e-mails in > the order received. > > Thank you! > > Usability and Interface Design Group > Oracle Corporation > > > > From bill at thecrookes.com Mon Jan 24 19:07:23 2005 From: bill at thecrookes.com (Bill Crooke) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:07:23 -0800 Subject: Peninsula Linux Users' Group, Thursday, Jan 27, 2004 Message-ID: <41F5B7EB.90805@thecrookes.com> Peninsula Linux Users' Group, Thursday, Jan 27, 2004 We have a meeting of the Peninsula Linux Users' Group (PenLUG) this week! Here are the details about this meeting. For more information or directions go to http://www.penlug.org/ Our website is a TWiki; please feel free to create a user account and modify the website if you have something to contribute. Thanks! Date: Thursday, January 27th, 2004 Time: 7:00 - 9:00 PM Location: 100 Oracle Parkway, Redwood Shores, CA 94065 Room 104 Agenda: ======= 7:00 - 8:30 PM: Presentation by James Todd: "MyJXTA, a JXTA protocol based collaboration application" 8:30 - 9:00 PM: Members' Minutes 8:45 - 9:00 PM: Adjourn to IHOP (Belmont) for social & food time Members' Minutes ================ Members will have an opportunity to take a few minutes to... * Describe their latest Linux discovery * Ask questions and get help from other members * Discuss Linux projects You can just stand up and talk, or give a short demo or presentation. If you need audio/visual support for your Members' Minute, please contact me in advance to arrange for your needs. We have a limited number of books courtesy of Prentice-Hall to give away as an added inducement to participate in this portion of the meeting. :-) RSVP ==== Although it is NOT required, we like to have an idea of how many people to expect, so if possible please email rsvp at penlug.org if you are planning to attend. Bill Crooke PENLUG Speaker Coordinator From sigje at sigje.org Tue Jan 25 16:23:42 2005 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:23:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: CodeCon 2005 - Possible Discount - Reply if interested Message-ID: The BayLISA Board is in the process of working towards getting discounts for BayLISA to events/conferences/training as you may have noticed in the past emails. We actually need to know how many people are interested in attending CodeCon 2005, Feb 11-13 2005 (Friday-Sunday) at Club NV, San Francisco before we make further steps. Haven't heard of CodeCon before? From the website http://www.codecon.org/2005/index.html CodeCon is the premier showcase of cutting edge software development. It is a workshop for developers of real-world applications with working code and active development projects. All presentations will be given by one of the active developers, and accompanied by a functional demo. So why would you be interested? It depends. Did you find Mark Langston's "Through a Sniffer Darkly: Covert Communications Channels" July talk interesting? You may find Dan Kaminsky's OzymanDNS presentation on using the DNS protocol for other services interesting as well. There are other security topics being presented as well. (Look it's Cat Okita!) Check out their website, and send me an email if it sounds like you would be interested in attending this conference. >From the program listing: ApacheCA - A PGP based Certification Authority (CA) for the Apache Software Foundation (ASF) David Reid, Ben Laurie ArX - A flexible, high performance, distributed revision control system featuring whole-tree atomic changesets, easy branching, and sophisticated merging Walter Landry Aura - "Who do you know? Who do you trust?" Cat Okita The Ultra Gleeper - A recommendation engine for web pages Leonard Richardson H2O - An innovative open-source platform for education that freely provides syllabi and other scholarly content to teachers and students across the globe, while also linking them in networks, communities and valuable discussions around common or associated resources and academic goals. Hal Roberts, Molly Krause i-brokers - decentralized i-broker technology gives people total control over their identity-related transactions Victor Grey, Fen Labalme Incoherence - A novel approach to stereo sound visualization Steven Hazel, Greg Hazel Jakarta Feedparser - An Open Source RSS/Atom and Weblog API Kevin Burton Mappr - Mappr uses data from images shared on flickr.com to allow map-based viewing and interaction Eric Rodenbeck, Michal Migurski, Tomas Apodaca Off-the-Record Messaging - Enables private conversations over IM by providing encryption, authentication, deniability, and perfect forward secrecy. Nikita Borisov Ian Goldberg OzymanDNS - Advanced exploration into the use of DNS as a general purpose communication medium. DNS is more hostile to this than any other protocol, so the solutions being built should be generalizable. Dan Kaminsky Photospace - An open platform for searching, viewing and annotating digital media in time and space Alon Salant RPOW - Reusable Proofs of Work Hal Finney SciTools - The grand unified web-based toolkit for genetic design and analysis Meredith L. Patterson Wheat - An environment for web programming Mark Lentczner, Jim Kingdon From sigje at sigje.org Tue Jan 25 16:31:57 2005 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 16:31:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Open Solaris! Message-ID: For those who were interested in Alan DuBoff's presentation on Thursday on Solaris 10: Sun have opened up a peek at some of the Solaris code! http://www.opensolaris.org/ - dTrace the first step Also of interest is Bryan Cantrill's blog available http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/bmc in which he discusses the release, and digs into explaining bits of the code. Bryan will be speaking to BayLISA in June specifically about dTrace. Jennifer