From deirdre at deirdre.net Sat Feb 5 17:06:32 2005 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse Moen) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:06:32 -0800 Subject: BayLisa Board Follies Message-ID: <56EE8ADE-77DB-11D9-B45A-000A95F018D8@deirdre.net> These are the facts, as I see 'em, of stuff that's happened since the board's last meeting on Thursday. Mark Langston, until recently a board member of BayLisa, wanted to hold an email "board meeting" about a motion to censure unspecified persons. Rick pointed out, quite correctly, that such a meeting could not occur via email per the bylaws. He offered to set up some sort of conference call. Mark Langston resigned. Jim volunteered conference call facilities for a meeting tomorrow night at 8 p.m. Mark Langston seconded I pointed out that three board members or the president would need to call the meeting. So far, I saw one. Jennifer said that she didn't accept Mark's resignation; regardless, Mark resigned in writing (and yes, Jennifer, there is case law on this, don't make me start spewing it). Further, she said that she was calling the meeting. I said that there'd need to be three directors plus, if he wished to join, Mark, would be needed for a quorum. I didn't see a quorum. Jennifer said that Elizabeth was also on the board, which is false. No vote was called about whether or not Elizabeth should be added. Mark withdrew his resignation. I said that we could discuss that at the next regular meeting (per the bylaws, that's the correct procedure). Mark accused me of challenging Jennifer's authority. If Jennifer wanted her behavior to be above reproach, she would exclude Mark from any calculations of quorum or voting as his status is still resigned per the bylaws. -- _Deirdre http://deirdre.net "Ideally pacing should look like the stock market for the year 1999, up and up and up, but with lots of little dips downwards...." -- Wen Spencer From mark at bitshift.org Sat Feb 5 17:20:38 2005 From: mark at bitshift.org (Mark C. Langston) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:20:38 -0800 Subject: BayLisa Board Follies In-Reply-To: <56EE8ADE-77DB-11D9-B45A-000A95F018D8@deirdre.net> References: <56EE8ADE-77DB-11D9-B45A-000A95F018D8@deirdre.net> Message-ID: <20050206012038.GP52706@bitshift.org> NOTE: I apologize to everyone in advance. I'm saddened to see that childish behavior by two of your Board members has led to them including you in their childishness. This is the outgrowth of Rick Moen being belligerent in Board meetings and in Board discussions, and his wife Dierdre, also a board member, taking his side to the detriment of the organization. I'm saddened and disgusted. But as your servant, you deserve to know the truth about this, rather than see one biased side. On Sat, Feb 05, 2005 at 05:06:32PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote: > These are the facts, as I see 'em, of stuff that's happened since the > board's last meeting on Thursday. > > Mark Langston, until recently a board member of BayLisa, wanted to hold > an email "board meeting" about a motion to censure unspecified persons. Mark Langston deplored the actions of certain members so thoroughly that he pointed out a possible action the board would be within its right to take to demonstrate its displeasure with those board members. You're misquoting me. But hey, the archives are public, anyone can go back and read them. Most people would interpret them correctly. > > Rick pointed out, quite correctly, that such a meeting could not occur > via email per the bylaws. He offered to set up some sort of conference > call. Rick made a thinly-veiled threat to sue anyone who made a motion of censure against him. Twice. > > Mark Langston resigned. Due to Rick behaving like a child. > > Jim volunteered conference call facilities for a meeting tomorrow night > at 8 p.m. > > Mark Langston seconded Mark Langston said he'd be there. He didn't second. Learn to read. > > I pointed out that three board members or the president would need to > call the meeting. So far, I saw one. No, you pointed out that FOUR board members INCLUDING the president would need to call the meeting. I corrected you quoting the bylaws, which read as you've just stated. > > Jennifer said that she didn't accept Mark's resignation; regardless, > Mark resigned in writing (and yes, Jennifer, there is case law on this, > don't make me start spewing it). Further, she said that she was calling > the meeting. Spew away. Until the President is removed, her interpretation stands. > > I said that there'd need to be three directors plus, if he wished to > join, Mark, would be needed for a quorum. I didn't see a quorum. No. A quorum is defined in the bylaws as half the sitting board. If you are now saying I AM a board member, than that's half of 8 (including Elizabeth), which is 4. Otherwise, it's 3. At the time, you were stating I was a board member, but demanding quorum was four, until I once again corrected you. And the president, according to bylaws, is allowed to call special meetings on her own. > > Jennifer said that Elizabeth was also on the board, which is false. No > vote was called about whether or not Elizabeth should be added. It was noted in the minutes that the motion was made and seconded with no objections. Being the Arch, I'm rather up-to-date on this sort of thing. > > Mark withdrew his resignation. > > I said that we could discuss that at the next regular meeting (per the > bylaws, that's the correct procedure). No, the bylaws state that new members can be added at the next regular board meeting. They say nothing to resignation withdrawl. Furthermore, since my email was not considered "in writing", as stated in the bylaws, the president didn't accept the resignation. Too bad for you. > > Mark accused me of challenging Jennifer's authority. Mark asked if you were challenging it. Funny how everything you or your husband Rick say is simple fact with no ill intent, and how anything anyone else says that isn't in the best interest of either of you is construed negatively any time you mention it. > > If Jennifer wanted her behavior to be above reproach, she would exclude > Mark from any calculations of quorum or voting as his status is still > resigned per the bylaws. > Again, too bad. I hereby request that one topic of the special meeting be: The board's removal of Rick and Dierdre from the board. -- mcl From kathryntate at comcast.net Sat Feb 5 22:23:19 2005 From: kathryntate at comcast.net (Kathryn Tate) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 22:23:19 -0800 Subject: internship request.... Message-ID: <54bf70c676c73a11a0aa2e45f7b2221b@comcast.net> I am in my last semesters at the City College of San Francisco's Unix System Administration certification program. I am looking to do a full unpaid internship by the end of August of this year, as CCSF does not support internships for Unix System Administration. I live in Daly City and can commute to most places in the Bay area. My cell phone is (650)483-4431. Thanks in advance, Kathryn Tate From michael at halligan.org Sun Feb 6 22:52:18 2005 From: michael at halligan.org (Michael T. Halligan) Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 22:52:18 -0800 Subject: balug? Message-ID: <42071022.3080403@halligan.org> Does anybody know what happened to the balug webserver & mailing list? It seems to have fallen off the edge of the Internet. ------------------- BitPusher, LLC http://www.bitpusher.com/ 1.888.9PUSHER (415) 724.7998 - Mobile From david at catwhisker.org Mon Feb 7 11:20:28 2005 From: david at catwhisker.org (David Wolfskill) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 11:20:28 -0800 Subject: Delay for mailing list message posting Message-ID: <20050207192028.GA544@bunrab.catwhisker.org> There have been some very heated emailed messages sent via these lists recently on some matters that were discussed by the BayLISA Board of Directors. In response to my perception of the situation, and in an effort to reduce the temperature of the rhetoric, I have taken the liberty of placing the BayLISA mailing lists in "moderated" status. I have been approving on-topic, technical posts unrelated to the divisive issue(s) in question. For the rest, I am imposing an additional delay. Please note that posts are not being lost. However, one of the reasons for the delay is for the authors of the posts in question to send an independent confirmation to postmaster at baylisa.org that, after reflection, the author does want to the message sent. I will approve such messages and they will be sent out. One of the aspects of email is that once a message is sent out, it is about as difficult to prevent its dissemination as it is to "un-say" something hurtful said in the heat of an argument. I am trying to provide enough buffer that message authors may choose to reconsider messages if they choose. I do not have a particular fixed notion of the extent of the delay, but I strongly recommend at least several hours before trying to send confirmation. I apologize for the inconvenience and awkwardness, but after thinking on the issue over the past couple of days, I have not come up with anything else that is likely to help ... and that is something I can control (or at least influence). So if you sent a message to one of these lists, have not seen your message posted to the list, and actually do want it sent (after reflection), please send a note to postmaster at baylisa.org confirming your decision. No, I am not requiring signed mail, so yes, someone could possibly forge such a request. I'm willing to accept that risk. Again: no messages will be lost (save those that authors choose to have not sent out) as a result of this. However, I will not approve any messages on the topic that are not followed (after a suitable delay) by a separate request, addressed to postmaster at baylisa.org, to go ahead and approve the messages for posting. Peace (really!), david (current hat: postmaster at baylisa.org) -- David H. Wolfskill david at catwhisker.org There is a place in software engineering for an appreciation of history. See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpg for public key. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We have no nameservice, today." rick at alfredo:~$ whois balug.org | more Domain ID:D494587-LROR Domain Name:BALUG.ORG Created On:23-Sep-1997 04:00:00 UTC Last Updated On:22-Oct-2004 19:56:08 UTC Expiration Date:22-Sep-2005 04:00:00 UTC [...] Name Server:NS2.TDL.COM Name Server:NS.BADGERRACING.COM rick at alfredo:~$ dig www.balug.org @ns2.tdl.com ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> www.balug.org @ns2.tdl.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 16400 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.balug.org. IN A ;; Query time: 77 msec ;; SERVER: 206.180.224.8#53(ns2.tdl.com) ;; WHEN: Mon Feb 7 11:37:21 2005 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 31 rick at alfredo:~$ dig www.balug.org @ns.badgerracing.com ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> www.balug.org @ns.badgerracing.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 34915 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;www.balug.org. IN A ;; Query time: 52 msec ;; SERVER: 206.180.232.132#53(ns.badgerracing.com) ;; WHEN: Mon Feb 7 11:37:41 2005 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 31 -- "Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul?" -- The Cube, forum3000.org From jxh at jxh.com Mon Feb 7 13:39:15 2005 From: jxh at jxh.com (Jim Hickstein) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:39:15 -0800 Subject: balug? In-Reply-To: <20050207194214.GA22438@linuxmafia.com> References: <42071022.3080403@halligan.org> <20050207194214.GA22438@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <49456AE6AAED425A833F5346@[10.0.230.95]> > Everyone, sing along: "Yes, we have no nameservice. We have no > nameservice, today." :-) They seem to have this< problem, at least a little. (That section used to be titled "Does my existing DNS service suck?") I'd be happy to offer BAWUG another secondary, if you know someone there, and can pass this along. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon Feb 7 13:49:44 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 13:49:44 -0800 Subject: balug? In-Reply-To: <49456AE6AAED425A833F5346@[10.0.230.95]> References: <42071022.3080403@halligan.org> <20050207194214.GA22438@linuxmafia.com> <49456AE6AAED425A833F5346@[10.0.230.95]> Message-ID: <20050207214944.GP22508@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jim Hickstein (jxh at jxh.com): > They seem to have href="http://www.imap-partners.net/faq-dns.html#suck">this< problem, at > least a little. (That section used to be titled "Does my existing DNS > service suck?") One useful tool to find out how badly (and where) your DNS sucks is this CGI: http://www.dnsreport.com/ Mine doesn't! http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=linuxmafia.com (Today, anyway....) -- Cheers, I've been suffering death by PowerPoint, recently. Rick Moen -- Huw Davies rick at linuxmafia.com From zwicky at greatcircle.com Sun Feb 6 21:51:02 2005 From: zwicky at greatcircle.com (Elizabeth Zwicky) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 21:51:02 -0800 Subject: An End to BayLisa Board Follies In-Reply-To: <20050206012038.GP52706@bitshift.org> References: <56EE8ADE-77DB-11D9-B45A-000A95F018D8@deirdre.net> <20050206012038.GP52706@bitshift.org> Message-ID: <01eb95ee43cf76c3d305a0a30e3faba6@greatcircle.com> There's been some dramatic mail to the mailing list about the BayLISA board and its doings. A special meeting of the board has had as its principal outcome a request that as an uninvolved party, I attempt to clarify matters for the members. The details are long, involved, and show most of the participants not in their calmest and most productive moments. Trying to explain them is like giving a blow-by-blow description of a bloody but inconclusive battle -- it's gory and tedious to everybody but those who there, and they have viewpoints so different they are impossible to totally reconcile. The general outline goes like this: BayLISA, like most volunteer organizations, has a bunch of excitable and overcommitted people on its board. A particularly bad confluence of events led to a very heated argument occurring while the organization's legal status is unclear (its incorporation had lapsed but the paperwork to correct this is in the hands of the state). This turned up the heat under the argument even further, leading to a chain of hasty actions many of which people regretted later. That's really unfortunate, but it happens sometimes, and it's not fatal. Everybody involved really wants the best for BayLISA. While things were going wrong, Mark Langston resigned, leaving a vacancy which according to the bylaws will be filled at the next regular board meeting on the first Thursday in March. Any member who wishes to be considered for this vacancy, including Mark, is welcome to attend the meeting. In fact, any member who wishes to be part of the board is encouraged to attend any board meeting -- there's plenty of work to go around. The only formal action that the board took at the special meeting was to pass a motion intended to decrease the heat level, stating that the board will not officially censure anybody until the state updates its incorporation status. Since the BayLISA board has so far managed to avoid ever censuring anybody, and the incorporation status is expected to be updated any minute, this shouldn't represent an undue hardship. But it's one less thing to worry about while the organization's status is up in the air. Elizabeth Zwicky zwicky at otoh.org From mark at bitshift.org Wed Feb 16 10:39:17 2005 From: mark at bitshift.org (Mark C. Langston) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:39:17 -0800 Subject: Looking for code visualizers Message-ID: <20050216183917.GD65436@bitshift.org> In my new job, software archaeology has become someowhat a necessity. So, I'm currently on the lookout for GOOD code visualizers. What I'd ideally like: Something that'll do function call graphs based on source code or .rtl output from gcc. Something that'll allow me do drill-down and weed out the call trees I'm uninterested in, interactively (or easily in a noninteractive manner) Something that doesn't require hooking into live code (as the code in question runs on specialized hardware, making this somewhat difficult). Something that'll grok C with the occasional C++ file. Something that'll take as input a source tree for a particular binary, and do the smart thing, pulling in the requisite headers and libraries as part of the visualization. Something that'll give me hints towards things like uninitialized and/or dereferenced pointers. Something that'll let me drill down a function call graph to a specific function, and get a look at the arguments, and how those arguments change up and down that call graph (e.g., I start out in function A, initializing pointer *a, and callfunction B, passing it &a, but B calls it c, and it never actually gets initialized/assigned a value until it's handed down to function F, and there's a nonzero possibility that function A is expecting *a to remain unmolested beyond certain boundaries, and functions G, H, and I do Bad THings(TM). Free would be nice. Alternately, something that can take a precompiled binary and do something similar, without executing the binary or being on the platform capable of executing the binary would be nice. Yes, I know part of what I'm describing can be done with gdb/ddd, but gdb/ddd are great for walking through coredumps, assuming you've not corrupted the stack and you do All The Right Things(TM) regarding variable initialization and pointer referencing. Do bad things, and gdb/ddd is a mess. It's also a bit of a PITA to do call traces with DDD. I vaguely remember seeing a commercial product (around $1k) demo'd at BH2004 that could do such things with two different versions of the dame binary, without access to source, but IIRC it was Windows-only and the code had to execute to make things work. Anyway, free or otherwise, pointers to stuff that'll do some/all of this on *BSD (FreeBSD, OS X) or Linux would be greatly appreciated. Alternately, a pointer to a REALLY USEFUL collection of scripts that'll produce interesting .dot files for feeding into dotty/graphviz would be most welcome. Gracias. -- mcl From simon at barber.net Wed Feb 16 14:02:37 2005 From: simon at barber.net (Simon Barber) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:02:37 -0800 Subject: Looking for code visualizers In-Reply-To: <20050216183917.GD65436@bitshift.org> References: <20050216183917.GD65436@bitshift.org> Message-ID: <4213C2FD.70104@barber.net> A tool I use that I've found the best in the industry for this is xrefactory. It comes in 2 versions, java/C language for $29, and C/C++ for $300 or so. It does a full syntactic analysis of the code, and can thus do things like dereference structure members correctly, even though they have the same name as other variables. It also understands scoping correctly. I haven't used the C/C++ version - it has a commercial parser front end, and supposedly handles gcc compilerisms better. It has emacs and jedit integration - I switched editor to jedit just because of the tool - I find it that useful. There is a free trial for the C/java version. Simon Mark C. Langston wrote: >In my new job, software archaeology has become someowhat a necessity. >So, I'm currently on the lookout for GOOD code visualizers. > >What I'd ideally like: > >Something that'll do function call graphs based on source code or .rtl >output from gcc. > >Something that'll allow me do drill-down and weed out the call trees I'm >uninterested in, interactively (or easily in a noninteractive manner) > >Something that doesn't require hooking into live code (as the code in >question runs on specialized hardware, making this somewhat difficult). > >Something that'll grok C with the occasional C++ file. > >Something that'll take as input a source tree for a particular binary, >and do the smart thing, pulling in the requisite headers and libraries >as part of the visualization. > >Something that'll give me hints towards things like uninitialized and/or >dereferenced pointers. > >Something that'll let me drill down a function call graph to a specific >function, and get a look at the arguments, and how those arguments >change up and down that call graph (e.g., I start out in function A, >initializing pointer *a, and callfunction B, passing it &a, but B calls >it c, and it never actually gets initialized/assigned a value until it's >handed down to function F, and there's a nonzero possibility that >function A is expecting *a to remain unmolested beyond certain >boundaries, and functions G, H, and I do Bad THings(TM). > > > >Free would be nice. > > >Alternately, something that can take a precompiled binary and do >something similar, without executing the binary or being on the platform >capable of executing the binary would be nice. > > > >Yes, I know part of what I'm describing can be done with gdb/ddd, but >gdb/ddd are great for walking through coredumps, assuming you've not >corrupted the stack and you do All The Right Things(TM) regarding >variable initialization and pointer referencing. Do bad things, and >gdb/ddd is a mess. It's also a bit of a PITA to do call traces with >DDD. > > >I vaguely remember seeing a commercial product (around $1k) demo'd at >BH2004 that could do such things with two different versions of the dame >binary, without access to source, but IIRC it was Windows-only and the >code had to execute to make things work. > > >Anyway, free or otherwise, pointers to stuff that'll do some/all of this >on *BSD (FreeBSD, OS X) or Linux would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Alternately, a pointer to a REALLY USEFUL collection of scripts that'll >produce interesting .dot files for feeding into dotty/graphviz would be >most welcome. > > >Gracias. > > > > > > > From sigje at sigje.org Thu Feb 17 11:56:41 2005 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:56:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: BayLISA Monthly Technical Talk and General Meeting - TONIGHT - Feb 17, 2005 Message-ID: BayLISA Monthly Technical Talk & General Meeting Please RSVP to rsvp at baylisa.org so that we can get an idea of how many will be attending. This event is open to the general public. You do not need to be a member to attend, and there is no fee. Thanks to Barracuda Networks for sponsoring tonight's meeting! Please join us for pizza and drinks! BayLISA will also be giving out 2 free network/security training spots this evening with KwangNet Network Training (http://www.kwangnet.com). The choice of classes are available here http://www.kwangnet.com/Classes.htm. All that we ask in exchange for this opportunity is that the two lucky winners give us a review of the quality of the training, and the overall experience. KwangNet is also giving BayLISA members a 15% discount off. (When signing up for a class, just mention BayLISA to get the discount.) Books! We have more Books from O'Reilly and Prentice Hall PTR/Addison Wesley to distribute! -------- Where: Apple Computer, Town Hall auditorium Addr: Four Infinite Loop, Cupertino, CA 95014 http://www.baylisa.org/locations/current.html -------- Date: TONIGHT, Thursday, February 17, 2005 Time: 7:30pm - 9:30pm PST Building your own Spam Firewall Zach Levow, co-founder and Vice President of Engineering, Barracuda Networks Is it possible to create your dedicated Spam filtering system using open-source and free packages? The answer is yes. This session will provide attendees with a cookbook solution, including all of the software, scripts, and configuration files required to deploy and an anti-spam email relay system in less than one day using a standard Linux system, Postfix, and SpamAssassin. In addition, Zach will cover more advanced topics including Bayesian Analysis, per-user Quarantine/Settings, and more. Please be prepared with all your in-depth questions about fighting Spam! About Zach Levow Zach Levow, VP of Engineering, Co-founder of Barracuda Networks Zach Levow is a pioneer in mail server development, remote access, and the free Internet space. As Co-founder and Vice President of Engineering of Barracuda Networks, Zach leads the continued development of the Barracuda Spam Firewall Family of solutions. Prior to Barracuda Networks, Zach was Co-founder and Vice President of Engineering for Affinity Path, a self-service, private label and profitable DSL/dial-up ISP with over 4,000 partners. Prior to Affinity Path, Zach was co-founder and CTO of Spinway, Inc., the fastest growing ISP in history reaching eight million customers in just eight months before being acquired by Kmart Corporation in November 2001. During his tenure at Spinway, Zach was the lead developer of the Spinway architecture, one of the world's largest client server applications at that time. He has also worked as a software development and architectural software design consultant for clients such as Sun Microsystems, Computer Sciences Corporation, Cadence Design Systems, and Motorola, Inc. Zach received his Bachelor of Science in Math and Computer Science from Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh. -------- BayLISA meets every month on the 3rd Thursday of the month. A short period of announcements of general interest to the sysadmin community is presented, followed by a technical talk. Anyone may make an announcement; typical are upcoming presentations, user group meetings, employment offers, etc. For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/. Directions and details about the current meeting and future events: http://www.baylisa.org/events/ BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. Tape library is often available at the general meeting, or for more information on available videos, please send email to "video at baylisa.org". If you know that you will miss a meeting that you'd like to see, send a request prior to the meeting to have a copy of the meeting sent out. If you have suggestions for speakers, or would like to volunteer, please email the Board at "blw at baylisa.org". Thanks! From sigje at sigje.org Tue Feb 22 10:12:58 2005 From: sigje at sigje.org (Jennifer Davis) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:12:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Upcoming Conference - USENIX Annual Technical Conference - April 10-15, 2005 Message-ID: The USENIX Annual Technical Conference (http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix05/) is coming up in April. This year it will be held in Anaheim, California. USENIX offers discounts for organizations sending 5 or more people, so I'm sending this email as a query to see how many people are planning on attending. If there is sufficient interest, the Board will contact USENIX to query about a discounted rate. Thanks! Jennifer From bill at thecrookes.com Wed Feb 23 10:28:27 2005 From: bill at thecrookes.com (Bill Crooke) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:28:27 -0800 Subject: Peninsula Linux Users' Group, Thursday, Feb 24, 2005 Message-ID: <421CCB4B.6000301@thecrookes.com> Peninsula Linux Users' Group, Thursday, Feb 24, 2005 We have a meeting of the Peninsula Linux Users' Group (PenLUG) this week! Here are the details about this meeting. For more information or directions go to http://www.penlug.org/ Our website is a TWiki; please feel free to create a user account and modify the website if you have something to contribute. Date: Thursday, February 24, 2005 Time: 7:00 - 9:00 PM Location: 100 Oracle Parkway, Redwood Shores, CA 94065 Room 104 Agenda: ======= 7:00 - 8:30 PM: Presentation by Patrick McGovern: "Building a Successful Open Source Community" 8:30 - 9:00 PM: Members' Minutes 8:45 - 9:00 PM: Adjourn to IHOP (Belmont) for social & food time Presentation by Patrick McGovern: "Building a Successful Open Source Community" ====================================================== Patrick McGovern is the former Director of SourceForge.net, the world's largest Open Source software development website, with over 1 million registered users and almost 100 thousand projects. Patrick will provide an overview of the SourceForge.net site and share some of his thoughts on what it takes to build a successful open source community. Members' Minutes ================ Members will have an opportunity to take a few minutes to... * Describe their latest Linux discovery * Ask questions and get help from other members * Discuss Linux projects You can just stand up and talk, or give a short demo or presentation. If you need audio/visual support for your Members' Minute, please contact me in advance to arrange for your needs. We have a limited number of books courtesy of Prentice-Hall and O'Reilly to give away as an added inducement to participate in this portion of the meeting. :-) RSVP ==== Although it is NOT required, we like to have an idea of how many people to expect, so if possible please email rsvp at penlug.org if you are planning to attend. Bill Crooke PenLUG Speaker Coordinator From kwanseng at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 12:06:01 2005 From: kwanseng at yahoo.com (Kwan Low) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:06:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: installing RedHat7.3 to Dell 1850.... Message-ID: <20050223200601.11827.qmail@web40522.mail.yahoo.com> A client send us a brand new Dell Poweredge 1850 and want us to install Redhat 7.3. Having all kind of trouble getting it to install due to 7.3 unable to deal with the newer hardware. Dell site mentioned it only support RH 9. Any tricks/workaround to get 7.3 installed on 1850? can it be done? or I'm screwed? thanks for help. Kwan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From dan_bethe at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 12:48:59 2005 From: dan_bethe at yahoo.com (Dan Bethe) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:48:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: installing RedHat7.3 to Dell 1850.... In-Reply-To: <20050223200601.11827.qmail@web40522.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050223204859.76301.qmail@web51707.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kwan Low wrote: > A client send us a brand new Dell Poweredge 1850 and > want us to install Redhat 7.3. Having all kind of > trouble getting it to install due to 7.3 unable to > deal with the newer hardware. Dell site mentioned it > only support RH 9. Hi there. I guess they have a really good reason for wanting something several generations obsolete and are willing to secure it and support it from SRPMs. :) The standard procedure is to search for any number of terms on bugzilla.redhat.com, particularly with advanced search to narrow it down to RHL 7.3. I don't see any with "poweredge" but you should try the motherboard model name and the controllers and whatever you're having trouble with that you didn't mention so we have no way to help further on. :) Good luck! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From dan_bethe at yahoo.com Wed Feb 23 12:51:54 2005 From: dan_bethe at yahoo.com (Dan Bethe) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:51:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: installing RedHat7.3 to Dell 1850.... In-Reply-To: <20050223200601.11827.qmail@web40522.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050223205155.29672.qmail@web51710.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kwan Low wrote: > A client send us a brand new Dell Poweredge 1850 and > want us to install Redhat 7.3. Having all kind of > trouble getting it to install due to 7.3 unable to > deal with the newer hardware. Dell site mentioned it > only support RH 9. Also, if binary compatibility will permit it, sometimes you can install with one distro that does work just to get the kernel, and then do an upgrade/downgrade via the installer or manually via RPM. Or else, install RHL 7.3 on another system, boot your Poweredge from tomsrtbt, and copy the filesystem over via cd or NFS. Often, the problem is that there's a hardware bug and your kernel doesn't have the fix. Once, I had to install RH9 and immediately upgrade to FC1 and then upgrade my kernel, just because the FC1's installer's default kernel missed the motherboard bugfix! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Feb 23 14:06:38 2005 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:06:38 -0800 Subject: installing RedHat7.3 to Dell 1850.... In-Reply-To: <20050223200601.11827.qmail@web40522.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050223200601.11827.qmail@web40522.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20050223220638.GZ7141@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Kwan Low (kwanseng at yahoo.com): > A client send us a brand new Dell Poweredge 1850 and want us to > install Redhat 7.3. Which is a truly awful and faintly preposterous idea, really, for lots of reasons including security. But of course the customer wants what the customer wants. > Having all kind of trouble getting it to install due to 7.3 unable to > deal with the newer hardware. Specifically, it's the installation kernel's lack of support for some crucial chipsets, notably for block-device and network support. > Any tricks/workaround to get 7.3 installed on 1850? can it be done? > or I'm screwed? Getting meaningful hardware-chipset information out of Dell is like pulling teeth, if memory serves.