From star at starshine.org Wed Nov 5 13:37:58 2003 From: star at starshine.org (Heather Stern) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:37:58 -0800 Subject: Candidates for new Board Message-ID: <20031105213758.GC2100@starshine.org> My apologies, for this is a pretty long message, but it's that time of year again :) FYI our Board meeting is 1st Thursday (tomorrow as I type this), 7:30 pm. If you'd like to attend (eother in person or voice) mail blw at baylisa.org to have the location confirmed and/or get phone contacts. For any current BayLISA member who is inclined to aid us in how all this stuff works behind the scenes - please express your candidacy for the Board of BayLISA. A typical Candidate's Statement includes: 1. Your current interest in experience in BayLISA 2. The kind of knowledge and energy you'd like to bring to the Board. 3. a short mention of whether you are likely to serve even if not elected. For Example: I'm Heather Stern. I've been actively attending BayLISA general meetings regularly since 1995, when I moved to the area. I got involved with being helpful at board meetings when my husband Jim Dennis was elected to the board - my interests and strengths are different than his and at a later point I was elected to the Board as well. Since I've been on the Board I've aided in such matters as web maintenance, policy matters, a few picnic logistics, and rounding up several speakers. I'm presently Arch - the secretary - and while the job I do with it isn't perfect, if you'll have me I'll gladly continue to serve you on the Board of BayLISA. I will continue to work with the Board even if not re-elected. I almost forgot to mention. the offices of President, Arch, and Treasurer are not filled in by election at the general meeting; they're elected by the resulting Board at the investiture of our new members, every year. This year there are 4 openings for Board. We do have some candidates already. We need more. If you submit your candidacy either here on baylisa at baylisa.org or to the wheels on blw at baylisa.org, we will also add it to a publicly accessible section on the website so all members can consider the candidates in front of them. If you'd rather only be considered by the folks who actually attend the November meeting to vote... please prepare about 2 minutes or less to say about yourself and how you can serve BayLISA, but it would be ideal if you can inform someone on the Board that you're planning to do that, so we can give you a formal line on the ballots, which are prepared ahead of time. As a final note, only currently paid up BayLISA members can either vote or become Board members. Take a moment to bring your membership up to date via the online form if you'd like to beat the rush... http://cgi-bin/newentry.cgi Sorry about the note saying it can't accept your money. If you use PayPal it can. But otherwise you can fill this part out, then bring a check or cash to the meeting. Or print yourself a membership form, and bring that and your wallet to the general meeting: http://www.baylisa.org/membership/BayLISA-membership-form.ps We are also seeking new Corporate Members for the upcoming year. Contact the Board if your company would like to sponsor BayLISA, or if you know a company contact who'd be interested. Corporate members get one vote (like everyone else) but we provide some additional benefits. The website's sponsorship pages will be updated in December. -* Heather Stern * Arch (secretary) BayLISA Board * http://www.baylisa.org/ *- From star at starshine.org Thu Nov 6 10:14:29 2003 From: star at starshine.org (Heather Stern) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:14:29 -0800 Subject: Candidates for new Board In-Reply-To: References: <20031105213758.GC2100@starshine.org> Message-ID: <20031106181429.GD3356@starshine.org> On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 08:45:33PM -0800, Alan DuBoff wrote: > On Wednesday 05 November 2003 13:37, Heather Stern wrote: > > I almost forgot to mention. the offices of President, Arch, and > > Treasurer are not filled in by election at the general meeting; > > they're elected by the resulting Board at the investiture of our > > new members, every year. This year there are 4 openings for Board. > > We do have some candidates already. We need more. > > I'm completely unclear about this. These are positions that people run for, > and it seems that the members vote, but are you saying the board appoints > those who will be voted for? Thanks for the question, Alan :) The BayLISA membership at large is voting for enough board members to fill out our current complement of 7 board members total. We have 4 spaces on the Board to fill this year, which is comprised of 3 spots up for normal re-election, and 1 seat vacated during the year due to life's pressures. BayLISA members are voting for 4 people who will help guide the organization's inner workings for a couple of years. (The bylaws allow us to have a few more or less, but the total 7 has served rather well for not having deadlocks, and for having enough people to keep things all in working order without burning anyone out, so it's been this way for a while.) At the beginning the December Board Meeting all board members drop all the officer-level titles, and it's up to the new Board who will be President, Arch, Treasurer among themselves for the next year. Since these titles are picked among the Board, the BayLISA members are sort-of voting for them too, but only indirectly... which is what I was trying to say, but I guess I just confused things :) Hope that helps. -* Heather Stern * Arch (secretary) BayLISA Board * http://www.baylisa.org/ *- From extasia at extasia.org Sun Nov 9 06:25:44 2003 From: extasia at extasia.org (David Alban) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 06:25:44 -0800 Subject: [baylisa] SIG-BEER-WEST next Saturday 11/15 in Berkeley Message-ID: <20031109062544.A26316@gerasimov.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 sig-beer-west Saturday, November 15, 2003 at 6:00pm San Francisco Bay area http://extasia.org/sig-beer-west/ Beer. Mental stimulation. This event: Saturday, 11/15/2003, 6:00pm, at Jupiter, Berkeley Jupiter: http://www.jupiterbeer.com/berkeley/index.html Coming events (third Saturdays): Saturday, 12/20/2003, 6:00pm, location to be determined Saturday, 01/17/2004, 6:00pm, location to be determined Saturday, 02/21/2004, 6:00pm, location to be determined Saturday, 03/20/2004, 6:00pm, location to be determined The San Francisco Bay area's next social event for techies and their friends, sig-beer-west, will take place on Saturday, November 15, 2003 at Jupiter in Berkeley, CA. According to their web site, "Jupiter pours, on draft, its own brews plus up to 30 of the region's best brews from other local brewpubs and small breweries." They are literally a stone's throw from the downtown Berkeley BART station. Jupiter: http://www.jupiterbeer.com/berkeley/index.html about: http://www.jupiterbeer.com/berkeley/about/index.html beer: http://www.jupiterbeer.com/berkeley/beer/index.html directions: http://www.jupiterbeer.com/berkeley/directions/index.html food: http://www.jupiterbeer.com/berkeley/food/index.html Berkeley Bart: http://www.bart.gov/stations/stationGuide/localAreaMap_BRK.asp Festivities will start at 6:00pm and continue until we've all left. When you show up, you should look for a sig-beer-west sign. Do look in every (public) room of the venue for us. We don't know ahead of time where we'll find space. Note: Please look for the sig-beer-west sign, not for a particular person. sig-beer-west may have different hosts from month to month. Everyone is welcome at this event. We mean it! Please feel free to forward this information and to invite friends, co-workers, and others who might enjoy lifting a glass with interesting folks from all over the place. (O.K., you do have to be of legal drinking age to attend.) Can't come this month? Mark your calendar for next month. (Do it now before you forget!) sig-beer-west occurs on the third Saturday of the month. Any questions, comments, suggestions of things to do later on that evening, or new venue suggestions ... email the current sig-beer-west Instigator. Instigator: extasia *AT. extasia *DOT. org sig-beer-west FAQ 1. Q: Your announcement says "techies and their friends". How do I know if I'm a techie, or a friend of one? A: Well, actually, you don't have to be a techie to attend. You just have to be able to find the sig-beer-west sign at this month's event. That's it! Simple, huh? 2. Q: I'm not really a beer person. In fact I'm interested in hanging out, but not in drinking. Would I be welcome? A: Absolutely! The point is to hang out with fun, interesting folks. Please do join us. 3. Q: Is parking difficult in the Bay area, like maybe I should factor this into my travel time? A: Yes. ______________________________________________________________________ sig-beer-west was started in February 2002 when a couple Washington, D.C. based systems administrators who moved to the San Francisco Bay area wanted to continue a dc-sage tradition, sig-beer, which is described in dc-sage web space as: SIG-beer, as in "Special Interest Group - Beer" ala ACM, or as in "send the BEER signal to that process". The original SIG-beer gathering takes place in Washington DC, usually on the first Saturday night of the month. dc-sage: http://www.dc-sage.org/ ______________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE/rkwIPh0M9c/OpdARAjQqAKCz+fzUvDlblbyUW2C8+vE7INvZ5QCaAlP/ wlSeFgNCkgHISCiPcDiTtdA= =IUVN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aland at softorchestra.com Sun Nov 9 10:57:17 2003 From: aland at softorchestra.com (Alan DuBoff) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:57:17 -0800 Subject: Candidates for new Board In-Reply-To: <20031106181429.GD3356@starshine.org> References: <20031105213758.GC2100@starshine.org> <20031106181429.GD3356@starshine.org> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply, sorry for the slow response as I've been out of town and my webmail interface reaches a point where there's too many messages to try and sort out without spending a massive amount of time... On Thursday 06 November 2003 10:14, Heather Stern wrote: > Thanks for the question, Alan :) > > The BayLISA membership at large is voting for enough board members to > fill out our current complement of 7 board members total. We have 4 > spaces on the Board to fill this year, which is comprised of 3 spots up > for normal re-election, and 1 seat vacated during the year due to life's > pressures. > > BayLISA members are voting for 4 people who will help guide the > organization's inner workings for a couple of years. > > (The bylaws allow us to have a few more or less, but the total 7 has > served rather well for not having deadlocks, and for having enough > people to keep things all in working order without burning anyone out, > so it's been this way for a while.) > > At the beginning the December Board Meeting all board members drop all > the officer-level titles, and it's up to the new Board who will be > President, Arch, Treasurer among themselves for the next year. > > Since these titles are picked among the Board, the BayLISA members are > sort-of voting for them too, but only indirectly... which is what I was > trying to say, but I guess I just confused things :) > > Hope that helps. > > -* Heather Stern * Arch (secretary) BayLISA Board * http://www.baylisa.org/ *- Yes, this clarifies it much better. I had been asked to run for the board by a member at the USENIX/LISA conference this year, but didn't understand exactly how it works. My current job with Sun is based around working with the community, and we're planning to continue attending the USENIX and LISA conferences. To be honest I hadn't thought about BayLISA too much as I've been busy, but it's one of the user groups I still attend regularly. Since I do have experience running user groups in the past, and the past has shown that it's always more work than ROI for most of the officers, it certainly wouldn't hurt my feeling if I was to run for such a position and be turned down. I guess I need to draft up some type of election propoganda, if it's not too late for that to happen by the next meeting, so let's start there. Is there still time for someone to decide to run, or has that time passed already? This may save me some effort if I've missed some window. I am currently a member in good standing with my dues paid up. -- Alan DuBoff Software Orchestration, Inc. GPG: 1024D/B7A9EBEE 5E00 57CD 5336 5E0B 288B 4126 0D49 0D99 B7A9 EBEE From aland at softorchestra.com Sun Nov 9 13:55:31 2003 From: aland at softorchestra.com (Alan DuBoff) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:55:31 -0800 Subject: Candidate Statement Message-ID: My name is Alan DuBoff and I've been attending BayLISA since the '94/'95 timeframe. I've been involved in many user groups in the past, going back to the early 80's where I was one of the early founders of the Tokyo PC User Group in Japan, aprox. '82/'83 timeframe. Ironically, this group is still active to this day, and although all of the original founders have since moved back to their homelands, the tradition continues on. After returning to the U.S. in '87, I was involved in several user groups, the first called LAMLUG (L.A. ms Languages User Group) with microsoft which I founded and was president for aprox 1.5 years, when they were promoting OS/2. This group was merged into another user group sponsored by IBM when IBM and ms had their historical divorce over OS/2 and Windows. I continued on as president. Following that, the L.A. OS/2 User Group was formed which I was president for 2 or 3 years at which point the Northridge earthquake rendered the IBM Santa Monica building condemmed. It was shortly after that when I moved to Silicon Valley to work on the PowerPC port of Oracle to IBM's Workplace OS which was shortly canceled (Oracle did get their engine ported and running on the mach kernel at the time though!;-). During 2002 I was one of 6 community representative (dubbed the "Secret Six") who negotiated to get Solaris x86 back when Sun announced on Jan. 8th, 2002 that they would indefinitely delay Solaris 9 x86. Sun Microsystems hired me on May 19th, 2003 to work on Solaris x86 with the community, the same day which Scott McNealy and Larry Ellison stood on stage to announce their new "Low Cost Computing" strategy. Recentely we've announced that Sun will be porting a 64 bit version to the AMD Opteron chip to throw a monkey wrench in the commodity hardware solutions arena. Prior to joining Sun I have been a consultant for the best part of the past 20 years, with the exception of working on the Kerbango Internet Radio which used Embedded Linux. I consulted for aprox. 1.5 years at VA Linux Systems (Linux work of course;-), close to a year on WebVan (Solaris SPARC on the backend), 5 months for Cisco, 2.5 years at Taligent/IBM, as well as other fortune 500 type companies in Silicon Valley, Japan, and Los Angeles, where I was born. While I have been involved with UNIX/Linux on various platforms, I have primarily been involved with versions running on x86 hardware for my personal use, in many cases integrating that work onto larger platforms for deployment. So it's safe to say that I have used mostly FreeBSD, Linux, and Solaris x86 on my personal hardware, although I do own a small amount of SPARC hardware. I do not use or advocate the use of any ms products whatsoever, and I kick and scream in the cases where I'm forced to use any of them. Fortunately with the upswing of UNIX/Linux, it has allowed me to continue this personal choice. I'm a bit unclear on a statement of whether I would serve, even if not elected. I will certainly give reccomendations to the board if not elected, but BayLISA won't hurt my feelings should they not elect me. I don't think I would put near the effort in BayLISA should I not be elected, but I certainly will continue to support and be a member of BayLISA should they not, just as I do today. -- Alan DuBoff Software Orchestration, Inc. GPG: 1024D/B7A9EBEE 5E00 57CD 5336 5E0B 288B 4126 0D49 0D99 B7A9 EBEE From bill at wards.net Mon Nov 10 23:23:23 2003 From: bill at wards.net (William R Ward) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:23:23 -0800 Subject: PenLUG Meeting Thursday, 11/13/2003 7-9pm @ Oracle, Redwood Shores Message-ID: <16304.36459.887273.145793@komodo.home.wards.net> You are invited to attend this month's meeting of PenLUG, the Peninsula Linux Users' Group, Thursday November 13, 2003, from 7-9pm. We meet at the Oracle headquarters in Redwood Shores, just south of San Mateo. Address: 100 Oracle Parkway, Redwood City, CA 94065 (room 1op104). NOTE: To avoid conflicts with the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays, we will be meeting on the 2nd Thursday in November and December. We will return to the 4th Thursday in January 2004. For directions, see our website at http://www.penlug.org/ or reply to this email. RSVP (optional, but appreciated) to rsvp at penlug.org if you plan to attend. If you need carpool help, email carpool at penlug.org. Here is the agenda for the meeting: 7:00pm - 7:30pm Town Hall Meeting on "Linux in the Community" 7:30pm - 8:30pm Keynote: Akbar S. Ahmed on "Understanding Texinfo - Next Generation Man Pages" 8:30pm - 9:00pm App of the Month Club: Emacs and Xemacs Detailed information about each of these items follows. Town Hall Meeting on "Linux in the Community" --------------------------------------------- Budget shortfalls have had a huge impact on the ability of schools and community agencies to purchase computers and expensive Microsoft licenses. Linux offers a cheaper alternative because it runs just fine on older, slower hardware and there is no cost for the operating system. We need to help schools and other organizations understand how Linux can be easy and effective for them to adopt, and how it can benefit them to be using open source tools to set the foundations for tomorrow's software developers. Akbar S. Ahmed, "Understanding Texinfo - Next Generation Man Pages" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Texinfo and the Info viewer comprise the official documentation format of the GNU project. Info offers a next generation upgrade to the tried and true man pages, however it is often underutilized or not used at all. An overview of Info will be provided including a brief history, a quick start guide including commands and concepts, and a real life example of the Info/Texinfo based documentation used at Delixus, Inc. Experiences will be shared as to the limits of Info and how it stacks up against the competition, including docbook and tex. A list of info viewers will be provided including pseudo-graphical viewers for both Linux and Windows. Texinfo, the language used to create info files, will be explained in detail including @-commands, general syntax, document structure, and outputting of texinfo files into other formats, such as text and html. An explanation of how to use texinfo mode in Emacs to author texinfo files along with an overview of how to view info files using the built-in Emacs viewer. Akbar S. Ahmed is the President and COO of Delixus, Inc. a software development and services company with offices in the U.S. and India. Delixus develops interoperability software for Linux and Windows, has created a customized Linux distro (Delixus Linux), and is currently developing a grid computing platform using Linux. Delixus offers consulting, software development, BPO, and animation services in North America and Asia. Akbar splits his time between the United States and India, where he leads the development of Delixus' product offerings. He is an advocate of Linux usage in small to medium-sized businesses and is fascinated by inter-networking of Linux and Windows. He holds an MBA in Information Sciences and a BA in Economics. In India, Delixus and the Indian Government have co-sponsored a rural I.T. mobile labs program whereby state-of-the-art vans provide mobile I.T. labs to schools too poor to have either computers or the power necessary to run the labs. App of the Month Club: Emacs and Xemacs --------------------------------------- In September we did vi and vim, so it was only fair to give Emacs a turn. Come share your favorite Emacs tips and tricks. But let's not get into an argument about which editor is better, just how to make the most of Emacs or Xemacs. -- William R Ward bill at wards.net http://www.wards.net/~bill/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- PROFESSIONAL PROGRAMMER, CLOSED COURSE. DO NOT ATTEMPT. From star at starshine.org Wed Nov 12 12:45:13 2003 From: star at starshine.org (Heather Stern) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:45:13 -0800 Subject: Candidates for new Board In-Reply-To: References: <20031105213758.GC2100@starshine.org> <20031106181429.GD3356@starshine.org> Message-ID: <20031112204513.GF16189@starshine.org> On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 10:57:17AM -0800, Alan DuBoff wrote: > Thanks for the reply, sorry for the slow response as I've been out of town > and my webmail interface reaches a point where there's too many messages to > try and sort out without spending a massive amount of time... [ Heather expands her answer about what's being voted on. ] > > Hope that helps. > > -* Heather Stern * Arch > > Yes, this clarifies it much better. I had been asked to run for the board by > a member at the USENIX/LISA conference this year, but didn't understand > exactly how it works. My current job with Sun is based around working with > the community, and we're planning to continue attending the USENIX and LISA > conferences. To be honest I hadn't thought about BayLISA too much as I've > been busy, but it's one of the user groups I still attend regularly. > > Since I do have experience running user groups in the past, and the past has > shown that it's always more work than ROI for most of the officers, it > certainly wouldn't hurt my feeling if I was to run for such a position and be > turned down. > > I guess I need to draft up some type of election propoganda, if it's not too > late for that to happen by the next meeting, so let's start there. Is there > still time for someone to decide to run, or has that time passed already? > This may save me some effort if I've missed some window. I am currently a > member in good standing with my dues paid up. You are still within the window to be a candidate. You can say just a small blurb about yourself to the baylisa@ list if you like. If you'd rather say something about yourself at the mike that's fine too. It's up to the election committee, but we often provide the candidacy notes as readable material at the voting table. Some folks are verbose, others less so. Board members have to be current members, so it's good that you have that part in good shape. -* Heather Stern * Arch (secretary) BayLISA Board * http://www.baylisa.org/ *- From aland at softorchestra.com Wed Nov 12 19:37:02 2003 From: aland at softorchestra.com (Alan DuBoff) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:37:02 -0800 Subject: Candidates for new Board In-Reply-To: <20031112204513.GF16189@starshine.org> References: <20031105213758.GC2100@starshine.org> <20031112204513.GF16189@starshine.org> Message-ID: On Wednesday 12 November 2003 12:45, Heather Stern wrote: > You are still within the window to be a candidate. > > You can say just a small blurb about yourself to the baylisa@ list if > you like. You might have missed my email, I sent it last weekend I think. OTOH, your SPAM filter might have caught it...:-/ FWIW, I had a non-member offer to non-vote for me. -- Alan DuBoff Software Orchestration, Inc. GPG: 1024D/B7A9EBEE 5E00 57CD 5336 5E0B 288B 4126 0D49 0D99 B7A9 EBEE From rtarte at pacificcodeworks.com Wed Nov 12 19:34:05 2003 From: rtarte at pacificcodeworks.com (Robert Tarte) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:34:05 -0800 Subject: Help with Linux Performance Management Message-ID: <3FB2FBAD.3070805@PacificCodeWorks.com> Hello, My name is Rob Tarte, President of Pacific CodeWorks, a Santa Cruz based provider of UNIX based systems performance management solutions. Our flagship product, Olympus TuneUp has been on the market for over eight years and is the premier remote monitoring, tuning and performance management tool for SCO Openserver. In response to requests from our current customers, Pacific CodeWorks is developing a version of TuneUp for Linux. We're hoping that some of you could share your insights regarding Linux system administration so we can develop a high quality, useful product for the Linux community. We are looking for Linux consultants, system administrators and/or VAR's who wouldn't mind spending a few minutes sharing their experience. We have a very short (12 question) survey to take either on-line or via telephone. About TuneUp: TuneUp is a UNIX system performance problem solver. Currently, TuneUp only runs on SCO Openserver. TuneUp's technology is based on our kernel agent, a driver that gathers information inside the kernel. TuneUp has both character based and X Windows user interfaces, requires only 7MB of free disk and exacts an extremely low amount of system overhead. TuneUp's key features: * Monitors 100% of system activity to provide complete performance picture- no missed bursts of activity. * Alerts via fax or E-mail, before system reaches critical thresholds. * Diagnoses system performance problems, such as tunable parameters, run away processes, system hogs, and large files and directories * Fixes system performance problems by building a new kernel with resource allocations based on actual use, not theoretical estimates. More product information is available at www.pacificcodeworks.com/tuneup The survey is located at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=56658312804 or, if you prefer, please call Magi Diego at 831-426-7582 or email mdiego at pacificcodeworks.com to discuss the questions more personally. If you are interested in the product upon completing the survey, please send us your information and we will be sure to send you an evaluation copy when the product is released or even discuss beta testing. Thanks so much for your time. We really depend on potential user feedback to ensure the quality of our products. Regards, Rob Tarte President, Pacific CodeWorks, Inc. 1347 Pacific Ave, Ste 202 Santa Cruz, Ca 95060 From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Nov 17 22:11:36 2003 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse Moen) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:11:36 -0800 Subject: Candidate Statement In-Reply-To: <20031105213758.GC2100@starshine.org> Message-ID: <11089037-198E-11D8-B844-000393B986EE@deirdre.net> I'm Deirdre Saoirse Moen, and I've been a member of BayLISA for several years. I first attended meetings shortly after moving to the bay area in 1999. While I'm not as studly a sysadmin as some in the group, I had the distinction of sysadminning more than the usual number of computers: all the TiVo client boxes in the field, grepping logs for kernel mishaps, disk space issues, and temperature issues. I've spent the last couple of years mostly in "involuntary recovery," working on smaller, short-term projects. Though not currently a board member, I've attended half the board meetings in the last year. -- _Deirdre http://deirdre.net "Cannot run out of time. There is infinite time. You are finite. Zathras is finite. This....is wrong tool." -- Zathras From afactor at monsoon.he.net Tue Nov 18 16:32:49 2003 From: afactor at monsoon.he.net (afactor at monsoon.he.net) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:32:49 -0800 Subject: Dedicated Server ISP Message-ID: <3FBABA31.mailxA931VF5CD@monsoon.he.net> Does anybody know a good website where I can start to review dedicated server offerings. I have a client in need of a W2K and a Linux dedicated server (low end). Thanks, Alan From david at catwhisker.org Wed Nov 19 16:58:18 2003 From: david at catwhisker.org (David Wolfskill) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 16:58:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Mapquest and CO (telco central office) locations Message-ID: <200311200058.hAK0wII8052317@bunrab.catwhisker.org> On a few occasions in the not-so-distant past, I had noticed that Mapquest provided a capability to enter the area code and prefix of a telephone number, and it (mapquest) would then depict the area served by that area code/prefix combination. In each of the cases I tried where I knew the location in question, it also identifed the location of the CO (central office), by a star in the center of the generated map. A few weeks ago, I happened to mention to someone that this neat capability existed; when I tried to demonstrate it, I found that it apparently no longer exists. Is anyone else able to confirm that -- about this, anyway -- I was, in fact, not hallucinating? And does anyone know either how to recover this capability or know that it was removed for some set of reasons? Thanks, david -- David H. Wolfskill david at catwhisker.org If you want true virus-protection for your PC, install a non-Microsoft OS on it. Plausible candidates include FreeBSD, Linux, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and Solaris (in alphabetical order). From neil at askneil.com Wed Nov 19 17:24:07 2003 From: neil at askneil.com (Neil Katin) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:24:07 -0800 Subject: Mapquest and CO (telco central office) locations In-Reply-To: <200311200058.hAK0wII8052317@bunrab.catwhisker.org> References: <200311200058.hAK0wII8052317@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: <3FBC17B7.2000408@askneil.com> I don't recall the capability you're talking about in mapquest (or anywhere else), but broadbandreports.com can map an address to a CO; this isn't quite what you want, but its pretty close... Neil David Wolfskill wrote: > On a few occasions in the not-so-distant past, I had noticed that > Mapquest provided a capability to enter the area code and prefix of > a telephone number, and it (mapquest) would then depict the area > served by that area code/prefix combination. > > In each of the cases I tried where I knew the location in question, > it also identifed the location of the CO (central office), by a > star in the center of the generated map. > > A few weeks ago, I happened to mention to someone that this neat > capability existed; when I tried to demonstrate it, I found that > it apparently no longer exists. > > Is anyone else able to confirm that -- about this, anyway -- I was, > in fact, not hallucinating? And does anyone know either how to > recover this capability or know that it was removed for some > set of reasons? > > Thanks, > david From jxh at jxh.com Thu Nov 20 08:10:17 2003 From: jxh at jxh.com (Jim Hickstein) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:10:17 -0600 Subject: Mapquest and CO (telco central office) locations In-Reply-To: <200311200058.hAK0wII8052317@bunrab.catwhisker.org> References: <200311200058.hAK0wII8052317@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Message-ID: <1061974185.1069323017@[10.9.18.6]> > Is anyone else able to confirm that -- about this, anyway -- I was, > in fact, not hallucinating? And does anyone know either how to > recover this capability or know that it was removed for some > set of reasons? I would be surprised if you were _not_ hallucinating, as wire-center boundaries are considered highly confidential, and even the locations of the central offices themselves (though quite obvious when you drive by one) are not supposed to be widely known. This goes back to way before September 11, but that has probably intensified things. You can buy a tape with CO street addresses and so-called "V&H" coordinates, for purposes of rate calculations, from what used to be Bellcore. But be prepared to spend a lot of money. Like a lot of pre-Web databases, anything they figured out how to charge for was not lightly given away free. I daresay Mapquest got a cease-and-desist letter. From jac at panix.com Thu Nov 20 10:15:57 2003 From: jac at panix.com (John Clear) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 10:15:57 -0800 Subject: Mapquest and CO (telco central office) locations In-Reply-To: <1061974185.1069323017@[10.9.18.6]> References: <200311200058.hAK0wII8052317@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <1061974185.1069323017@[10.9.18.6]> Message-ID: <20031120181557.GA28796@panix.com> On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 10:10:17AM -0600, Jim Hickstein wrote: > >Is anyone else able to confirm that -- about this, anyway -- I was, > >in fact, not hallucinating? And does anyone know either how to > >recover this capability or know that it was removed for some > >set of reasons? > > I would be surprised if you were _not_ hallucinating, as wire-center > boundaries are considered highly confidential, and even the locations of > the central offices themselves (though quite obvious when you drive by one) > are not supposed to be widely known. DSL reports still has CO locations: http://www.dslreports.com/coinfo The street address listed at the bottom of the page, with a link to MapQuest. John From pf-baylisa at freret.org Thu Nov 20 09:22:24 2003 From: pf-baylisa at freret.org (Payne Freret) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:22:24 -0800 Subject: Mapquest and CO (telco central office) locations Message-ID: 9:10 am Thu 20 Nov 2003 > > Is anyone else able to confirm that -- about this, anyway > > -- I was, in fact, not hallucinating? And does anyone > > know either how to recover this capability or know that it > > was removed for some set of reasons? > I would be surprised if you were _not_ hallucinating, as > wire-center boundaries are considered highly confidential, > and even the locations of the central offices themselves > (though quite obvious when you drive by one) are not > supposed to be widely known. I remember using the CO-location feature to estimate ADSL line lengths, although I don't recall seeing wire-center boundaries displayed. Payne Freret From chuck+baylisa at snew.com Thu Nov 20 12:54:54 2003 From: chuck+baylisa at snew.com (Chuck Yerkes) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:54:54 -0500 Subject: Mapquest and CO (telco central office) locations In-Reply-To: <1061974185.1069323017@[10.9.18.6]> References: <200311200058.hAK0wII8052317@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <1061974185.1069323017@[10.9.18.6]> Message-ID: <20031120205454.GA6760@snew.com> Quoting Jim Hickstein (jxh at jxh.com): > >Is anyone else able to confirm that -- about this, anyway -- I was, > >in fact, not hallucinating? And does anyone know either how to > >recover this capability or know that it was removed for some > >set of reasons? > > I would be surprised if you were _not_ hallucinating, as wire-center > boundaries are considered highly confidential, and even the locations of > the central offices themselves (though quite obvious when you drive by one) > are not supposed to be widely known. I got this line from the phone lady when I was trying to find out how far my CO actually was. "It's highly confidential information." Actually, I was trying to learn WHICH CO we attached to. Its public record. You can find it at the library. I had the convenience that my GirlF worked at an ISP in SF and they had a map. With details. So my next line to PacBell Lady was roughly, "look I want to know if I'm hitting the 5ESS at 40th and Telegraph, CO designation BlahBlah Blah or if I'm going to this other one here, CO blahblahblah." "Um, your on the first one. How did you get that info?!" The library? City Hall? Several other places of public record? It's the BellCore mindset where they put huge proprietary value on public records. (See also Fiber Optic and the Adventure of the 911 Information). I tire of companies using 9/11 as an excuse to hold information as proprietary. We are a free and open society. Our country was not created to meet the ends of the merchant class - from PacBell to Wallmart. They incidentally benefit from it. Attacks on our culture succeed when we stop being that culture. From npc at gangofone.com Thu Nov 20 13:06:04 2003 From: npc at gangofone.com (Nick Christenson) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:06:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Mapquest and CO (telco central office) locations In-Reply-To: <20031120181557.GA28796@panix.com> Message-ID: <200311202106.hAKL643g033587@prometheus.gangofone.com> > DSL reports still has CO locations: http://www.dslreports.com/coinfo > The street address listed at the bottom of the page, with a link > to MapQuest. It has this information for some, but not for others. For example, East Bay COs seem to have addresses, but Las Vegas COs don't. Of course, these are served by different ILECs, so it may be dependent on the policy of the CO operator. -- Nick Christenson npc at jetcafe.org From strata at virtual.net Tue Nov 25 14:12:18 2003 From: strata at virtual.net (Strata R Chalup) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 14:12:18 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Upcoming SV technological events ( December 2003)] Message-ID: <3FC3D3C2.9080308@virtual.net> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Upcoming SV technological events ( December 2003) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:15:58 -0800 From: SVEvents To: Dear BayLISA Board Member, I'll appreciate if you can review message below and approve it for distribution in the BayLISA mailing list. 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Halligan) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:21:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Good Agentless monitoring packages? Message-ID: I'm looking for a decent agentless monitoring package.. I've been using netsaint/nagios for a few years, and like it, but I need something that's a bit easier to chew on, using already included tools like snmp or rpcstats .. Any thoughts? ------------------- Michael T. Halligan Chief Geek Halligan Infrastructure Designs. http://www.halligan.org/ 2250 Jerrold Ave #11 San Francisco, CA 94124-1012 (415) 724.7998 - Mobile From rsr at inorganic.org Tue Nov 25 15:55:40 2003 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:55:40 -0800 Subject: Good Agentless monitoring packages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031125235540.GA7324@nag.inorganic.org> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 04:21:37PM -0800, Michael T. Halligan wrote: > I'm looking for a decent agentless monitoring package.. I've been using > netsaint/nagios for a few years, and like it, but I need something that's > a bit easier to chew on, using already included tools like snmp or rpcstats .. You're talking to a bunch of sysadmins -- you can probably get a little more technical than "a bit easier to chew on." :) I love nagios, obviously, and it can use SNMP just as easily for monitoring (I wrote a plugin sometime ago that gave me disk space utilization and alarming for both Windows and UNIX using SNMP). If you want to stay as pure SNMP as possible, you probably want to check out MRTG, though it's much more capable in the trending arena than in the alarming arena. -roy From michael at halligan.org Tue Nov 25 17:12:32 2003 From: michael at halligan.org (Michael T. Halligan) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 17:12:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Good Agentless monitoring packages? In-Reply-To: <20031125235540.GA7324@nag.inorganic.org> Message-ID: > You're talking to a bunch of sysadmins -- you can probably get a little > more technical than "a bit easier to chew on." :) Well basically I just want the ability to keep a customer's systems pretty vanilla, without adding much (or anything) to them that doesn't come with the default distribution (redhat 7.3 is their standard). It becomes a lot easier to maintain consitency over the 200+ servers we'll be monitoring by not having to worry about installing newer versions of nrpe/nagios agents when we do upgrades, etc.. And NRPE agents get ugly when you begin monitoring servers behind several levels of firewalls, especially when a lot of these servers don't have gateways or routes out of their subnets (at that point an snmp collector or a script to periodically collect rpc stats become a lot simpler). We definately want more features than mrtg has.. We're considering just nagios and biting the bullet on the agents, big sister, or cricket.. > I love nagios, obviously, and it can use SNMP just as easily for monitoring > (I wrote a plugin sometime ago that gave me disk space utilization and > alarming for both Windows and UNIX using SNMP). > > If you want to stay as pure SNMP as possible, you probably want to check > out MRTG, though it's much more capable in the trending arena than in the > alarming arena. -- ------------------- Michael T. Halligan Chief Geek Halligan Infrastructure Designs. http://www.halligan.org/ 2250 Jerrold Ave #11 San Francisco, CA 94124-1012 (415) 724.7998 - Mobile From rsr at inorganic.org Tue Nov 25 16:19:54 2003 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:19:54 -0800 Subject: Good Agentless monitoring packages? In-Reply-To: References: <20031125235540.GA7324@nag.inorganic.org> Message-ID: <20031126001954.GA8436@nag.inorganic.org> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 05:12:32PM -0800, Michael T. Halligan wrote: > Well basically I just want the ability to keep a customer's systems pretty > vanilla, without adding much (or anything) to them that doesn't come with > the default distribution (redhat 7.3 is their standard). It becomes a lot > easier to maintain consitency over the 200+ servers we'll be monitoring > by not having to worry about installing newer versions of nrpe/nagios > agents when we do upgrades, etc.. And NRPE agents get ugly when you > begin monitoring servers behind several levels of firewalls, especially > when a lot of these servers don't have gateways or routes out of their > subnets (at that point an snmp collector or a script to periodically collect > rpc stats become a lot simpler). > > We definately want more features than mrtg has.. We're considering just nagios > and biting the bullet on the agents, big sister, or cricket.. I played with Big Sister and found it ... well, not my cup of tea I suppose is the best way I can put it. I'd give you a technical critique of it if I had any, but I just found it not comfortable to work with. I've deployed MRTG in an environment that was going to finish an HP OpenView installation 'any day now' (and were thinking that way for approximately two years) and then customized it using net-snmp's extensibility capabilities to do some pretty nice things, but again that's mostly on the trending, rather than the alerting side. For alerting, I find that Nagios' nuanced and granular approach to configuration and alerting concepts is very hard to beat. I also happen to hate deploying customized software on edge systems, prefering to rely on (or deploy) more intelligence on the core systems, so I completely agree with your preference (which, I'm sure, causes you great relief :) ). What would you like to monitor? Have you tried building Nagios plugins? They're trivially easy... -roy From rsr at inorganic.org Tue Nov 25 16:32:17 2003 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:32:17 -0800 Subject: Good Agentless monitoring packages? In-Reply-To: References: <20031125235540.GA7324@nag.inorganic.org> Message-ID: <20031126003217.GB9011@nag.inorganic.org> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 05:12:32PM -0800, Michael T. Halligan wrote: > Well basically I just want the ability to keep a customer's systems pretty > vanilla, without adding much (or anything) to them that doesn't come with > the default distribution (redhat 7.3 is their standard). It becomes a lot Oh, one more thing from a consulting stance: At my last company (a tiny IT consulting house), we loved the ability to segregate systems into separate domains, each with its own authentication, so we could give customers the ability to view their systems' health in Nagios. -roy From trockij at transmeta.com Tue Nov 25 16:41:11 2003 From: trockij at transmeta.com (Jim Trocki) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 16:41:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Good Agentless monitoring packages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Michael T. Halligan wrote: > I'm looking for a decent agentless monitoring package.. I've been using > netsaint/nagios for a few years, and like it, but I need something that's > a bit easier to chew on, using already included tools like snmp or rpcstats .. > > Any thoughts? I use this: http://www.kernel.org/software/mon/ It's certainly "agentless" in that it is monitoring-method-agnostic. It can use SNMP to acquire the status of whatever you're interested in, or it doesn't need to. It includes a good number of monitor programs in the distribution, and there are a user-contributed set of them available here, in case you don't see what you need in the standard set of modules: http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/software/admin/mon/contrib/index.html Jim Trocki Computer System and Network Engineer Transmeta Corporation Santa Clara, CA From chuck+baylisa at snew.com Tue Nov 25 17:04:57 2003 From: chuck+baylisa at snew.com (Chuck Yerkes) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 20:04:57 -0500 Subject: Good Agentless monitoring packages? In-Reply-To: <20031125235540.GA7324@nag.inorganic.org> References: <20031125235540.GA7324@nag.inorganic.org> Message-ID: <20031126010457.GB4908@snew.com> Quoting Roy S. Rapoport (rsr at inorganic.org): > On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 04:21:37PM -0800, Michael T. Halligan wrote: > > I'm looking for a decent agentless monitoring package.. I've been using > > netsaint/nagios for a few years, and like it, but I need something that's > > a bit easier to chew on, using already included tools like snmp or rpcstats .. > > You're talking to a bunch of sysadmins -- you can probably get a little > more technical than "a bit easier to chew on." :) ... > If you want to stay as pure SNMP as possible, you probably want to check > out MRTG, though it's much more capable in the trending arena than in the > alarming arena. I try to think of SNMP (v3) as a reasonable transport method for a lot of things. In pulling, I can get about any data I want. In pushing, I can trip scripts/programs as I need. Mutterings by users of embedded (and less embedded) to allow an snmp-set that comes via authenticated and encrypted V3 to reboot a box. I use rrdtool to graph things - been really eye opening to some folks here to see WHEN it starts to swap heavily and how many database users are hitting something. Events can be tripped as well. I'm running some snmpget stuff LOCALLY, checking thresholds and emits traps (to UniCenter) for several things. snmpdf is really handy when you've got 100 servers (to show "df" info without having to log in). Web front ends are easy to whip up with PHP or perl. It's a transport method - and net-snmp with the HOST MIB gives LOTS of useful information. But yes, more information would get you better answers. From claw at kanga.nu Tue Nov 25 18:04:55 2003 From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:04:55 -0500 Subject: Good Agentless monitoring packages? In-Reply-To: Message from "Roy S. Rapoport" of "Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:55:40 PST." <20031125235540.GA7324@nag.inorganic.org> References: <20031125235540.GA7324@nag.inorganic.org> Message-ID: <4787.1069812295@kanga.nu> On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 15:55:40 -0800 Roy S Rapoport wrote: > If you want to stay as pure SNMP as possible, you probably want to > check out MRTG, though it's much more capable in the trending arena > than in the alarming arena. If you're just doing graphing then Cricket is damned slick. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw at kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. From tony at usenix.org Wed Nov 26 09:05:59 2003 From: tony at usenix.org (Tony Del Porto) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 09:05:59 -0800 Subject: tech support for an npo Message-ID: Hey folks, My Wife's NPO is looking for contract tech support. Does anyone have experience with or know anyone that works for Tech Underground (techunderground.com)? Other recommendations? The .org is a progressive research organization of 25 people in three offices (Oakland, Chicago, NY); mix of Macs and PCs. The only server is an Xserve running file sharing and backup in the main Oakland office. They're looking for someone who can work with non-technical people in a casual but very political office environment. Thanks, Tony From ulf at Alameda.net Fri Nov 28 11:20:08 2003 From: ulf at Alameda.net (Ulf Zimmermann) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 11:20:08 -0800 Subject: How do you upgrade a disk in a single disk Linux system ? Message-ID: <20031128192007.GG16418@seven.alameda.net> So I was fighting yesterday with trying to upgrade a system from a single 120GB drive to a dual 250GB. The system only has 2 drive slots, so I put in one 250GB disk as second, create a copy of the file systems /, /boot, /usr, /var, swap and a smaller /home which had the rest of the 120GB before. The rest of the 250GB disk together with the second 250GB disk became later a lvm. Now I tried to get grub to install on hdc (the first 250GB disk) for later running as hda and thats where I failed. /boot was a primary partition, it was set active with the bootflag. The system found no OS. Tried via PXE boot a grub floppy which would allow me to specify to load kernel, etc. from the disk, but that grub complained corrupt partition table. So the question, how would you go about swapping the primary disk with a larger disk, without loosing data ? -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 You can find my resume at: http://seven.Alameda.net/~ulf/resume.html