From extasia at mindspring.com  Fri Jul  5 15:38:51 2002
From: extasia at mindspring.com (David Alban)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:38:51 -0700
Subject: Shell account testimonials?
Message-ID: <20020705153851.A9123@new.gerasimov.net>

Greetings!

I'm looking for a second ISP account for myself (for redundancy). 
Can anyone give a testimonial for a provider that:

  . Provides a shell account
  . Has gcc, perl, sshd, and ssh/scp
  . Has local bay area 56k dialups (I don't need a high speed
    connection for this)

I can get by with minimal disk space and have no webspace
requirements for this.

I know I can google for providers, but I'm interested in your
experiences with providers.  For example:

  I have Ultra Mega Access and they are clueful and reliable.

Or:

  I had Connections R Us once and would recommend you avoid them
  because...  

Thanks!
David
-- 
Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors.
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 232 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://www.baylisa.org/pipermail/baylisa/attachments/20020705/f32f3176/attachment.bin>

From claw at kanga.nu  Fri Jul  5 19:53:58 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:53:58 -0700
Subject: Shell account testimonials? 
In-Reply-To: Message from David Alban <extasia@mindspring.com> 
   of "Fri, 05 Jul 2002 15:38:51 PDT." <20020705153851.A9123@new.gerasimov.net> 
References: <20020705153851.A9123@new.gerasimov.net> 
Message-ID: <8092.1025924038@kanga.nu>

On Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:38:51 -0700 
David Alban <extasia at mindspring.com> wrote:

>   . Provides a shell account . Has gcc, perl, sshd, and ssh/scp . Has
> local bay area 56k dialups (I don't need a high speed connection for
> this)

I don't recall if Rahul.net provides GCC, but you do get the rest in an
admirably stable and predictable environment.  

ObDisclosures: I was a satisfied Rahul.Net (cf Rahul Dhesi) customer for
several years, primarily on a fixed static IP dialup.  I did use their
shell accounts while I was there, but not in earnest or for any great
time.  Since then I've gone DSL and have colocated systems on the 'net
and so haven't needed Rahul.net's services.  I never found technical
fault with Rahul.net while I was connected there and did find a lot to
admire (he's sharp and on the ball).

> I had Connections R Us once and would recommend you avoid them
> because...

I hear bad things about the remains of BEST and Verio in general.  IIRC
they canceled their shell account support anyway.  

I use Rawbandwidth for DSL connectivity and believe they also offer
shell accounts (I know they do dialup).  I haven't used their shell
accounts and so can't comment there, however I've found Rawbandwidth to
be impressively technically competent and on the ball (they are
regularly lauded on the SVLUG lists).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.


From dan_bethe at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  5 21:07:21 2002
From: dan_bethe at yahoo.com (Dan Bethe)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:07:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Shell account testimonials? 
In-Reply-To: <8092.1025924038@kanga.nu>
Message-ID: <20020706040721.12330.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com>

My two cents for shells is at http://nyip.net which is run by a long time ircop
for OpenProjects Network.  And I second JC's advice about rawbandwidth.com.  I
researched bay area DSL for about a week solid and ended up with their
residential DSL for about 6 months until I moved out of DSL country.  Mike
Durkin of rawbw provides masterful and instantly responsive support because
he's a master of all things related to the Internet in the SFBA.  He's got a
psychic connection to Pacbell or something, and knows exactly what's going on. 
I found him via interviews with him which were published on dslreports.com. 
He'll let you (and help you) do anything that can be done with his services
with virtually no limitations.  And he's got FreeBSD shells and web hosting.

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free
http://sbc.yahoo.com


From ldevlin at cnet.com  Sat Jul  6 19:31:05 2002
From: ldevlin at cnet.com (Leslie Devlin)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 19:31:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Shell account testimonials? 
In-Reply-To: <20020706040721.12330.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0207061927140.5970-100000@pooky>


Someone already mentioned Raw Bandwidth's technical cred but hadn't tried
the shell account.  I use the shell and it's great -- stable and fast with
plenty of disk space.

Leslie Devlin, System Administrator
Network and System Administration, CNET.com
leslie.devlin at cnet.com  *  NEW voice 415.344.2072

On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Dan Bethe wrote:

> My two cents for shells is at http://nyip.net which is run by a long time ircop
> for OpenProjects Network.  And I second JC's advice about rawbandwidth.com.  I
> researched bay area DSL for about a week solid and ended up with their
> residential DSL for about 6 months until I moved out of DSL country.  Mike
> Durkin of rawbw provides masterful and instantly responsive support because
> he's a master of all things related to the Internet in the SFBA.  He's got a
> psychic connection to Pacbell or something, and knows exactly what's going on.
> I found him via interviews with him which were published on dslreports.com.
> He'll let you (and help you) do anything that can be done with his services
> with virtually no limitations.  And he's got FreeBSD shells and web hosting.
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free
> http://sbc.yahoo.com
>



From kovar at 1srg.org  Sat Jul  6 20:31:51 2002
From: kovar at 1srg.org (David C. Kovar)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 20:31:51 -0700
Subject: Registrar testimonials?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0207061927140.5970-100000@pooky>
Message-ID: <NKEPLOEPGKAAFGEMNJEKKEECKKAA.kovar@1srg.org>

Greetings,

While we're talking about testimonials for services...

Can anyone recommend a good, reputable, reliable registrar? The ISP holding the secondary for my domains is probably going away, so it is probably time to move the domains and get a better primary/secondary set up, so I'd like someone who can do both.

I'd really like to avoid Verisign, who currently has most of my domains.

I tried NamesDirect (Los Gatos), but found two glaring and easily fixed problems on their web site, no response when I queried them about these problems, and they've billed me for my "test transfer" even though I cancelled it after finding the problems. (One problem occurs right after you finish setting up the transfer.)

Any other suggestions would be most welcome.

-David




From jgross at stimpy.net  Sat Jul  6 20:57:42 2002
From: jgross at stimpy.net (Joe Gross)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 20:57:42 -0700
Subject: Registrar testimonials?
In-Reply-To: <NKEPLOEPGKAAFGEMNJEKKEECKKAA.kovar@1srg.org>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0207061927140.5970-100000@pooky> <NKEPLOEPGKAAFGEMNJEKKEECKKAA.kovar@1srg.org>
Message-ID: <20020707035742.GA87056@felix.stimpy.net>

On Sat, Jul 06, 2002 at 08:31:51PM -0700, David C. Kovar wrote:
> 
> Can anyone recommend a good, reputable, reliable registrar? The ISP holding the secondary for my domains is probably going away, so it is probably time to move the domains and get a better primary/secondary set up, so I'd like someone who can do both.

I've been very happy with Directnic. They're cheap, they have a fast, useful
interface that allows bulk updates to multiple domains, and did I mention
they're cheap? They've also been very good in terms of responding to both
simple and complex tech support questions (on the order of hours.) I highly
recommend them.



From lccha at pobox.com  Sat Jul  6 22:35:54 2002
From: lccha at pobox.com (Lloyd C. Cha)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:35:54 -0700
Subject: Shell account testimonials?
In-Reply-To: <20020705153851.A9123@new.gerasimov.net>
References: <20020705153851.A9123@new.gerasimov.net>
Message-ID: <20020707053554.GA5252@similac.redback.com>

Hi -

I have been using Internet Zap (www.izap.com) for a number of years
now:

   > uname -a
   Linux shell 2.4.18-686 #1 Sun Apr 14 11:32:47 EST 2002 i686 unknown
   
   > gcc -v
   Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.4/specs
   gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)
   
   > perl -v
   This is perl, v5.6.1 built for i386-linux

Their policies and rates are reasonable.  I haven't been a heavy user
of the shell or dial-ups (it's mainly my backup connection/shell), but
for what I've needed I've been very satisfied with their service.

-L


Once upon a time (like on Jul 05, 2002), David Alban wrote:
> Greetings!
> 
> I'm looking for a second ISP account for myself (for redundancy). 
> Can anyone give a testimonial for a provider that:
> 
>   . Provides a shell account
>   . Has gcc, perl, sshd, and ssh/scp
>   . Has local bay area 56k dialups (I don't need a high speed
>     connection for this)


From jxh at jxh.com  Sun Jul  7 09:31:26 2002
From: jxh at jxh.com (Jim Hickstein)
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 11:31:26 -0500
Subject: Registrar testimonials?
In-Reply-To: <NKEPLOEPGKAAFGEMNJEKKEECKKAA.kovar@1srg.org>
References: <NKEPLOEPGKAAFGEMNJEKKEECKKAA.kovar@1srg.org>
Message-ID: <237562.1026041486@localhost>

I've been happy with DomainMonger.com.  I fired NSI a while back, when they 
started selling my billing address.


From claw at kanga.nu  Sun Jul  7 22:14:50 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 22:14:50 -0700
Subject: Registrar testimonials? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "David C. Kovar" <kovar@1srg.org> 
   of "Sat, 06 Jul 2002 20:31:51 PDT." <NKEPLOEPGKAAFGEMNJEKKEECKKAA.kovar@1srg.org> 
References: <NKEPLOEPGKAAFGEMNJEKKEECKKAA.kovar@1srg.org> 
Message-ID: <23639.1026105290@kanga.nu>

On Sat, 6 Jul 2002 20:31:51 -0700 
David C Kovar <kovar at 1srg.org> wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a good, reputable, reliable registrar? The ISP
> holding the secondary for my domains is probably going away, so it is
> probably time to move the domains and get a better primary/secondary
> set up, so I'd like someone who can do both.

I've been well pleased by EasyDNS.  I've primarily used them for DNS
service, but I've also registered a few domains thru them without
trouble.  I could write at some length about what a bang-up job they do
on the DNS side, but you didn't ask for that...

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.


From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jul  8 20:33:32 2002
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 20:33:32 -0700
Subject: Registrar testimonials?
In-Reply-To: <NKEPLOEPGKAAFGEMNJEKKEECKKAA.kovar@1srg.org>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0207061927140.5970-100000@pooky> <NKEPLOEPGKAAFGEMNJEKKEECKKAA.kovar@1srg.org>
Message-ID: <20020709033332.GP16264@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting David C. Kovar (kovar at 1srg.org):

> I'd really like to avoid Verisign, who currently has most of my domains.

Anywhere's better than there.  You can use the dartboard-selection 
algorithm, and be guaranteed to find someone better.

Currently, I'm using an OpenSRS reseller, and find them generally just 
fine.  Please note that essentially any registrar will give you time 
credit for remaining registration on your existing registrar, when you
transfer.  So, you have every incentive to transfer away from
NSI/Verisign without delay.  You pretty much can't help getting better
agreement terms, fewer problems, and a lower renewal fee, so it's a
no-lose choice.




From star at starshine.org  Fri Jul 12 12:31:50 2002
From: star at starshine.org (Heather Stern)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:31:50 -0700
Subject: Picnic this weekend! July 14
Message-ID: <20020712193150.GA1380@starshine.org>


  Just a cheerful reminder that the BayLISA picnic is this weekend, 10
  am or so until the park closes, at Oak Meadow Park in Los Gatos.  Area
  1 has power and a very large grill.

  Bring your favorite picnic stuff to grill, and if yoy like, machines
  to get installfested. Or installathon'd if you like BSD better :D

  Talk in on W6PIY 145.390 +151.4 if you're a ham.  With kind thanks to
  Bill Ashby, N6FFC, for permission from his club who runs that repeater.
  (See www.wvara.org for more details about them.)

-* Heather Stern * Arch (secretary) BayLISA Board * http://www.baylisa.org/ *-


From qkstart at ix.netcom.com  Mon Jul 15 08:56:32 2002
From: qkstart at ix.netcom.com (David Dull)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:56:32 -0700
Subject: Password Manipulation Through Database
Message-ID: <004901c22c18$334fcbe0$37ccefd1@qkstart>

I received the following message, to which I have already replied.  However,
it is an interesting thought exercise.  How many different ways could this
be done?

----- begin message 1 -----
I have a need to create a mechanism in my application at a client company to
enable users to change their passwords on a UNIX server from a browser using
either Active Server Pages (visual basic) or Java Server Pages with Java.  I
use database roles to track user ability to see sensitive data. The initial
problem is to change the temporary password provided by the UNIX admin
because it has to be changed prior to being recognized by making a database
connection using their UserID and password.

As you can guess, the first time the UserID and password is used, the UNIX
system responds with the request to change it.  The second need is to try to
trap the message from UNIX that indicates that their password is about to
expire and handle it accordingly.

Unfortunately, we are using Informix rather than Oracle.  As you may know,
Oracle handles the password management, but Informix does not.
----- end message 1 -----

I asked him which operating system he was using, and whether a distributed
authentication method had been implemented.

----- begin message 2 -----
Solaris 9.  No, don't believe there is any distributed authentication.  I
currently make connections to Informix through ODBC and JDBC with Active
Server Pages and Java Server Pages respectively.  I am making an ODBC
connection through an active server page using the user name and password
and then verifying their role assignment for determination of their
privileges.  I could use either ASPs or JSPs to determine the password
status, and perhaps change it.
----- end message 2 -----

--David Dull
  ddull at ieee.org
  http://home.netcom.com/~qkstart/




From chuck+baylisa at snew.com  Mon Jul 15 09:52:16 2002
From: chuck+baylisa at snew.com (Chuck Yerkes)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 09:52:16 -0700
Subject: Password Manipulation Through Database
In-Reply-To: <004901c22c18$334fcbe0$37ccefd1@qkstart>; from qkstart@ix.netcom.com on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 08:56:32AM -0700
References: <004901c22c18$334fcbe0$37ccefd1@qkstart>
Message-ID: <20020715095216.B21766@snew.com>

LDAP.
Even LDAP slowed down and backed by a SQL database.  Dunno the state
of support for Informix SQL within OpenLDAP 2.1, but the interface
API is pretty generic (see also section 1.6 of:
    http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin21/guide.html
).

I'm not 100% sure on this now, but previous to the back-
modules introduced in 2.1, if you're using SQL to back an LDAP
server (and for speed everyone actually queries a slave server,
not the one bound to slow SQL), it's IMPERATIVE that only LDAP
manipulate the LDAP exposed data.  The LDAP server has no way
to "know" that a password has changed, or the mail address is
different.  But with SQL you can at least get the plusses of
having various non-LDAP friendly information associated with
data that's living in LDAP.

Solaris 8/9 are quickly depricating that blecherousness that is NIS+.


Quoting David Dull (qkstart at ix.netcom.com):
> I received the following message, to which I have already replied.  However,
> it is an interesting thought exercise.  How many different ways could this
> be done?
> 
> ----- begin message 1 -----
> I have a need to create a mechanism in my application at a client company to
> enable users to change their passwords on a UNIX server from a browser using
> either Active Server Pages (visual basic) or Java Server Pages with Java.  I
> use database roles to track user ability to see sensitive data. The initial
> problem is to change the temporary password provided by the UNIX admin
> because it has to be changed prior to being recognized by making a database
> connection using their UserID and password.
> 
> As you can guess, the first time the UserID and password is used, the UNIX
> system responds with the request to change it.  The second need is to try to
> trap the message from UNIX that indicates that their password is about to
> expire and handle it accordingly.
> 
> Unfortunately, we are using Informix rather than Oracle.  As you may know,
> Oracle handles the password management, but Informix does not.
> ----- end message 1 -----
> 
> I asked him which operating system he was using, and whether a distributed
> authentication method had been implemented.
> 
> ----- begin message 2 -----
> Solaris 9.  No, don't believe there is any distributed authentication.  I
> currently make connections to Informix through ODBC and JDBC with Active
> Server Pages and Java Server Pages respectively.  I am making an ODBC
> connection through an active server page using the user name and password
> and then verifying their role assignment for determination of their
> privileges.  I could use either ASPs or JSPs to determine the password
> status, and perhaps change it.
> ----- end message 2 -----
> 
> --David Dull
>   ddull at ieee.org
>   http://home.netcom.com/~qkstart/
> 


From david at catwhisker.org  Mon Jul 15 14:00:02 2002
From: david at catwhisker.org (David Wolfskill)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:00:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Future of .org is to be decided soon
Message-ID: <200207152100.g6FL024n095628@bunrab.catwhisker.org>

ICANN has issued a Request for Proposals
(http://www.icann.org/tlds/org/rfp-20may02.htm) for organizations
to "assume responsibility for operating the registry for the .org
TLD" after the expiration of the existing registry agreement.

In the #sage-members IRC channel (at irc.sage-members.org), someone
(lois) sent out a pointer to
http://not.invisible.net/signals/bin/000055.shtml.

It is a link to a proposal by the Internet Multicasting Service and the
Internet Software Consortium, along with comments about the proposal.

After a quick(!) scan through the salient points of the IMS/ISC
proposal, it appears that a decision is to be made soon.

I am thus cross-posting this to both baylisa and blw because:

* I believe this issue may have a profound effect on the Interent, and
  is thus an issue that stands to affect every BayLISA member.

* BayLISA is a stakeholder in the decision, as baylisa.org stands to be
  directly affected by any decisions made in this matter.

Is this an issue about which BayLISA (as an organization) is permitted
to have and express an opinion?  If so, shall we?

(In the mean time, I encourage BayLISA members to read proposals and
lobby for those that they believe will be best for the community.)

Cheers,
david
-- 
David H. Wolfskill				david at catwhisker.org
My reluctance to use or support Microsoft products is a direct
consequence of my desire to use tools that work properly.


From jeff at drinktomi.com  Mon Jul 15 14:13:49 2002
From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:13:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Password Manipulation Through Database
In-Reply-To: <20020715095216.B21766@snew.com>
References: <20020715095216.B21766@snew.com>
Message-ID: <3192.212.87.127.249.1026767629.squirrel@mail.gigo.com>

Chuck Yerkes said:
> LDAP.
> Even LDAP slowed down and backed by a SQL database.  Dunno the state of
> support for Informix SQL within OpenLDAP 2.1, but the interface API is
> pretty generic (see also section 1.6 of:
>    http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin21/guide.html
> ).

I was about to say, "use LDAP if you can."  OpenLDAP is nice, but
if you can use the iPlanet LDAP server then it can take care of
most of the thorny access control issues for it.  The ACL scheme
that they implement is incredibly powerful.  Unfortunately I do not
believe that you have a choice of database backend when using
the iPlanet server.

[I believe you get large # of users iPlanet license by default
with a Solaris OS license, but I may just be imagining things.]

-jeff





From mark at bitshift.org  Mon Jul 15 14:45:35 2002
From: mark at bitshift.org (Mark C. Langston)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:45:35 -0700
Subject: Future of .org is to be decided soon
In-Reply-To: <200207152100.g6FL024n095628@bunrab.catwhisker.org>; from david@catwhisker.org on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 02:00:02PM -0700
References: <200207152100.g6FL024n095628@bunrab.catwhisker.org>
Message-ID: <20020715144535.N97737@bitshift.org>

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 02:00:02PM -0700, David Wolfskill wrote:
> 
> * BayLISA is a stakeholder in the decision, as baylisa.org stands to be
>   directly affected by any decisions made in this matter.

ICANN defines "stakeholder" in a very interesting manner.  For example,
individuals who hold domain names are not stakeholders.  It's not
entirely clear based on ICANN's actions that not-for-profits are
stakeholders, either.  In fact, ICANN's been acting recently as
though the RIR's aren't stakeholders.

> 
> Is this an issue about which BayLISA (as an organization) is permitted
> to have and express an opinion?  If so, shall we?
>

As an organization, BayLISA would be entitled to membership in the
Non-Commercial Domain Name Owners Constituency (NCDNHC) of the Domain
Name Service Organization (DNSO) of ICANN.  Bear in mind, however,
that the NCDNHC is in jeopardy of losing its voting privileges within
the DNSO for inability to pay the tithes^H^H^H^H^H^Hfees that the
Names Council (NC) of the DNSO requires of each Constituency.  Also
bear in mind that ICANN often acts unilaterally, without (or in
contradiction to) the input of the DNSO and its member constituencies
(all of whom, save the DNSO, have a direct financial stake in
domain name registration policy).

ICANN is also currently undergoing a great deal of turmoil, moreso
than is usual for the body, which has been controversial from the
beginning.  The EFF has come out against current ICANN reorganization,
several members of Congress have called for strong investigation of
ICANN and its practices.  The EFF is assisting the publicly-elected
North American board member in suing the board for denying him the
ability to execute his fiduciary responsibility, and ICANN has
moved to eliminate all further public elections, opting instead
to hand-pick its board members.  The .org proposals are in jeopardy,
as several Board members have vested financial interest in the
organizations making the proposals, and have yet to recuse themselves.
Even so, recent actions in the DNSO regarding the last round of
TLD proposals demonstrated that, even in recusal, the board
members will continue to control debate, speak for or against
proposals, and work actively in the selection process (which 
is opaque).

I'd recommend BayLISA steer clear, as an organization.  Particularly
if it cannot afford to send representatives to the semi-regular meetings
ICANN holds, in far-off locales (Melbourne, Stockholm, Montevideo,
Accra, Bucharest, Shanghai).  No decisions of any import are made in any
forum other than the in-person meetings, and ICANN has repeatedly failed
in its mandate to provide open participation in these meetings by taking
advantage of existing technology.  The few times they've tried, they've
opted to use proprietary codecs using Windows-only software.  They
tried IRC once, and -- realizing they couldn't control the participants
-- gave up on it.  ICANN operates more like a star chamber than the
NewCo described in the White Paper.


 
> (In the mean time, I encourage BayLISA members to read proposals and
> lobby for those that they believe will be best for the community.)
> 

ICANN has long since demonstrated that they are uninterested and
unconcerned with public input.  They've systematically ignored
the requirements put forth in the White Paper, and even those in
the Dept. of Commerce MoU.  They manufacture consensus from the
top down, and many insiders believe the .org selection to be a
fait accompli.

-- 
Mark C. Langston                         Sr. Systems Administrator
mark at bitshift.org                                  Project Phoenix
Systems & Network Admin                             SETI Institute
http://www.bitshift.org                              mark at seti.org


From chuck+baylisa at snew.com  Mon Jul 15 15:21:11 2002
From: chuck+baylisa at snew.com (Chuck Yerkes)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:21:11 -0700
Subject: Password Manipulation Through Database
In-Reply-To: <3192.212.87.127.249.1026767629.squirrel@mail.gigo.com>; from jeff@drinktomi.com on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 02:13:49PM -0700
References: <20020715095216.B21766@snew.com> <3192.212.87.127.249.1026767629.squirrel@mail.gigo.com>
Message-ID: <20020715152111.E22830@snew.com>

iPlanet's LDAP server has matched (enough) OpenLDAP 2.0 in
performance tests the folks I work with run.  The "back-*"
modules open up whole new realms of interesting features.

I've never had issues with ACI's and LDAP and the advantage
provided me by using an Open Source project versus the Netscape,
er, AOL/Sun, er, Sun stuff is pretty clear.

I see solid forward development on OpenLDAP.


I don't trust Sun to sell software that doesn't directly sell
hardware for them.  With Sun's LDAP server, I see them dropping
support for Linux (right after I recommended it to a client
that was trying to get away from the "festival of unixes - all
different" that their minimal staff was having to try to
support).

SunOS 5.9 DOES come with a fairly large (minimal support) license
bundled with the OS for some use.  I forget the license terms.


Either way, LDAP as a protocol can be very useful for things like
user management, asset tracking (where the hell did we leave that
spare RAID controller?  Oh, the LDAP server says it's in the
storage closet in bin 45), mail routing and rewriting, etc.

iPlanet and Open both scale nicely and speak LDAP well.
ActiveDirectory also communicates on port 389 :)

Quoting Jeff Younker (jeff at drinktomi.com):
> Chuck Yerkes said:
> > LDAP.
> > Even LDAP slowed down and backed by a SQL database.  Dunno the state of
> > support for Informix SQL within OpenLDAP 2.1, but the interface API is
> > pretty generic (see also section 1.6 of:
> >    http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin21/guide.html
> > ).
> 
> I was about to say, "use LDAP if you can."  OpenLDAP is nice, but
> if you can use the iPlanet LDAP server then it can take care of
> most of the thorny access control issues for it.  The ACL scheme
> that they implement is incredibly powerful.  Unfortunately I do not
> believe that you have a choice of database backend when using
> the iPlanet server.
> 
> [I believe you get large # of users iPlanet license by default
> with a Solaris OS license, but I may just be imagining things.]


From jxh at jxh.com  Mon Jul 15 15:56:31 2002
From: jxh at jxh.com (Jim Hickstein)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:56:31 -0700
Subject: Future of .org is to be decided soon
In-Reply-To: <20020715144535.N97737@bitshift.org>
References: <200207152100.g6FL024n095628@bunrab.catwhisker.org>
 <20020715144535.N97737@bitshift.org>
Message-ID: <7240000.1026773791@jxh.mirapoint.com>

Well, this about sums it up:

--On Monday, July 15, 2002 02:45:35 PM -0700 "Mark C. Langston" 
<mark at bitshift.org> wrote:

> I'd recommend BayLISA steer clear, as an organization.

As a non-profit, we are not permitted to engage in any political lobbying 
(as I understand it).  If this isn't political, it's near enough to raise 
doubts.

BayLISA _members_ can of course do what they like, acting simply as 
interested individuals.  But I don't think we will have anything like an 
official statement or resolution of the board about this.

Thank you, Mark, for your recommendation.

--
Jim Hickstein
President, BayLISA


From chuck at snew.com  Mon Jul 15 17:58:35 2002
From: chuck at snew.com (Chuck Yerkes)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:58:35 -0700
Subject: Future of .org is to be decided soon
In-Reply-To: <7240000.1026773791@jxh.mirapoint.com>; from jxh@jxh.com on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:56:31PM -0700
References: <200207152100.g6FL024n095628@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <20020715144535.N97737@bitshift.org> <7240000.1026773791@jxh.mirapoint.com>
Message-ID: <20020715175835.F22830@snew.com>

Quoting Jim Hickstein (jxh at jxh.com):
> Well, this about sums it up:
> 
> --On Monday, July 15, 2002 02:45:35 PM -0700 "Mark C. Langston" 
> <mark at bitshift.org> wrote:
> 
> > I'd recommend BayLISA steer clear, as an organization.
> 
> As a non-profit, we are not permitted to engage in any political lobbying 
> (as I understand it).  If this isn't political, it's near enough to raise 
> doubts.

Um, not really.  802.11's (or whatever the nonprofit des is :)
aren't permitted to lobby congress/feds in certain ways.

That said, the homeless non-profits certainly are involved at city
hall levels and the like.

ICann, it can be argued, has not shown that it's responsible to any
governmental influence and therefore it has nothing to do with federal
lobbying.

Does the baylisa org want to get involved in this?  Certainly
and the information being passed along is often useful.  More directly?
Doubtful.



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Mon Jul 15 19:22:32 2002
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 19:22:32 -0700
Subject: Future of .org is to be decided soon
In-Reply-To: <20020715175835.F22830@snew.com>
References: <200207152100.g6FL024n095628@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <20020715144535.N97737@bitshift.org> <7240000.1026773791@jxh.mirapoint.com> <20020715175835.F22830@snew.com>
Message-ID: <20020716022232.GO28205@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Chuck Yerkes (chuck at snew.com):

> Um, not really.  802.11's (or whatever the nonprofit des is :)
> aren't permitted to lobby congress/feds in certain ways.

{snort}

501(c)(3) -- which is the applicable section in the Internal Revenue Code.
 
> Does the baylisa org want to get involved in this?

IANAL.  TINLA.

My understanding is that 501(c)(3) organisations are barred from (1)
acting in any way to influence legislation or (2) being involved in
political activities (basically, elections).  Further, activities must
be germane to the organisation's tax-exempt purpose.

The awarding of .org certainly isn't an election to fill a public
office, nor is it legislation in the usual sense of the term, _but_ it
is at least awfully close to Federal administrative law (regulations
passed by the Executive Branch to implement enabling legislation) --
in the sense that ICANN operates under a Memorandum of Understanding
from the USA Commerce Department.  Anyhow, that's enough to make me 
as a Board member uncomfortable, and I'll say no (to the question 
posed) irrespective of other merits.

http://www.irs.gov/exempt/charitable/display/0,,i1%3D3%26i2%3D18%26genericId%3D6874,00.html

-- 
Cheers,            There are only 10 types of people in this world -- 
Rick Moen          those who understand binary arithmetic and those who don't.
rick at linuxmafia.com


From jxh at jxh.com  Mon Jul 15 20:22:40 2002
From: jxh at jxh.com (Jim Hickstein)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:22:40 -0700
Subject: Future of .org is to be decided soon
In-Reply-To: <20020716022232.GO28205@linuxmafia.com>
References: <200207152100.g6FL024n095628@bunrab.catwhisker.org>
 <20020715144535.N97737@bitshift.org> <7240000.1026773791@jxh.mirapoint.com>
 <20020715175835.F22830@snew.com> <20020716022232.GO28205@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <140382859.1026764560@[10.9.18.6]>

> 501(c)(3) -- which is the applicable section in the Internal Revenue Code.

I don't believe BayLISA _has_ 501(c)(3) status.  We have to file a tax 
return, and we might have taxable income, but have never had enough (net of 
expenses) to pay taxes on it.  The figure $10,000 comes to mind.

Is Dan Miller, BayLISA's counsel, listening?  Dan, this question (is it a 
501(c)(3) or  not) has come up a few times, and never been quite resolved. 
Is it?  Nevermind lobbying, and whether this counts as lobbying.


From mark at bitshift.org  Mon Jul 15 21:55:25 2002
From: mark at bitshift.org (Mark C. Langston)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:55:25 -0700
Subject: Future of .org is to be decided soon
In-Reply-To: <7240000.1026773791@jxh.mirapoint.com>; from jxh@jxh.com on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:56:31PM -0700
References: <200207152100.g6FL024n095628@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <20020715144535.N97737@bitshift.org> <7240000.1026773791@jxh.mirapoint.com>
Message-ID: <20020715215525.R97737@bitshift.org>

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 03:56:31PM -0700, Jim Hickstein wrote:
> Well, this about sums it up:
> 
> --On Monday, July 15, 2002 02:45:35 PM -0700 "Mark C. Langston" 
> <mark at bitshift.org> wrote:
> 
> > I'd recommend BayLISA steer clear, as an organization.
> 
> Thank you, Mark, for your recommendation.
> 


No problem.  After all, these are the folks that went against
RFC2606 and made example.[com|net|org] resolve.  And yet they
talk about "protecting the stability of the Internet" with a
straight face.

-- 
Mark C. Langston                         Sr. Systems Administrator
mark at bitshift.org                                  Project Phoenix
Systems & Network Admin                             SETI Institute
http://www.bitshift.org                              mark at seti.org


From star at starshine.org  Tue Jul 16 08:55:57 2002
From: star at starshine.org (Heather Stern)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:55:57 -0700
Subject: Future of .org is to be decided soon
In-Reply-To: <20020715144535.N97737@bitshift.org>
References: <200207152100.g6FL024n095628@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <20020715144535.N97737@bitshift.org>
Message-ID: <20020716155557.GA18330@starshine.org>

On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 02:45:35PM -0700, Mark C. Langston wrote:
> I'd recommend BayLISA steer clear, as an organization.  Particularly
> if it cannot afford to send representatives to the semi-regular meetings
> ICANN holds, in far-off locales (Melbourne, Stockholm, Montevideo,
> Accra, Bucharest, Shanghai).  No decisions of any import are made in any
> forum other than the in-person meetings, and ICANN has repeatedly failed
> in its mandate to provide open participation in these meetings by taking
> advantage of existing technology.  The few times they've tried, they've
> opted to use proprietary codecs using Windows-only software.  They
> tried IRC once, and -- realizing they couldn't control the participants
> -- gave up on it.  ICANN operates more like a star chamber than the
> NewCo described in the White Paper.
 
For those who don't follow British history, the Star Chamber was a very
private privy council which would pre-draft edicts for the king to sign,
usually consigning someone to The Tower so their lands could be stripped
and taken by the state. 
  
> > (In the mean time, I encourage BayLISA members to read proposals and
> > lobby for those that they believe will be best for the community.)
> > 
> 
> ICANN has long since demonstrated that they are uninterested and
> unconcerned with public input.  They've systematically ignored
> the requirements put forth in the White Paper, and even those in
> the Dept. of Commerce MoU.  They manufacture consensus from the
> top down, and many insiders believe the .org selection to be a
> fait accompli.

One of course wonders then, what the logical result of them picking
something undesirable is.

I already see occasional failures of certain pieces of the internet to
reach each other anyway;  this is likely to get worse.

  . | .   Heather Stern                  |         star at starshine.org
--->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting at starshine.org
  ' | `   Sysadmin Support and Training  |        (800) 938-4078


From bill at wards.net  Tue Jul 16 10:56:34 2002
From: bill at wards.net (William R Ward)
Date: 16 Jul 2002 10:56:34 -0700
Subject: Future of .org is to be decided soon
In-Reply-To: "Mark C. Langston"'s message of "15 Jul 2002 21:55:25 -0700"
References: <200207152100.g6FL024n095628@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <20020715144535.N97737@bitshift.org> <7240000.1026773791@jxh.mirapoint.com> <7240000.1026773791@jxh.mirapoint.com> <20020715215525.R97737@bitshift.org>
Message-ID: <m2ofd7imjx.fsf@komodo.home.wards.net>

"Mark C. Langston" <mark at bitshift.org> writes:
> No problem.  After all, these are the folks that went against
> RFC2606 and made example.[com|net|org] resolve.  And yet they
> talk about "protecting the stability of the Internet" with a
> straight face.

They resolve, but they belong to IANA and resolve to a web server that
just displays a simple message saying what they are for.  I just
rereasd 2606, and it says "The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
(IANA) also currently has the following second level domain names
reserved which can be used as examples." about example.{com|net|org}.
I'd say they are following it just fine.

-- 
William R Ward            bill at wards.net          http://www.wards.net/~bill/
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
AMAZING BUT TRUE: There is so much sand in northern Africa that if it were
                  spread out it would completely cover the Sahara Desert!


From mark at bitshift.org  Tue Jul 16 11:50:03 2002
From: mark at bitshift.org (Mark C. Langston)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:50:03 -0700
Subject: Future of .org is to be decided soon
In-Reply-To: <m2ofd7imjx.fsf@komodo.home.wards.net>; from bill@wards.net on Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 10:56:34AM -0700
References: <200207152100.g6FL024n095628@bunrab.catwhisker.org> <20020715144535.N97737@bitshift.org> <7240000.1026773791@jxh.mirapoint.com> <7240000.1026773791@jxh.mirapoint.com> <20020715215525.R97737@bitshift.org> <m2ofd7imjx.fsf@komodo.home.wards.net>
Message-ID: <20020716115003.S97737@bitshift.org>

On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 10:56:34AM -0700, William R Ward wrote:
> "Mark C. Langston" <mark at bitshift.org> writes:
> > No problem.  After all, these are the folks that went against
> > RFC2606 and made example.[com|net|org] resolve.  And yet they
> > talk about "protecting the stability of the Internet" with a
> > straight face.
> 
> They resolve, but they belong to IANA and resolve to a web server that
> just displays a simple message saying what they are for.  I just
> rereasd 2606, and it says "The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
> (IANA) also currently has the following second level domain names
> reserved which can be used as examples." about example.{com|net|org}.
> I'd say they are following it just fine.
> 


Well, they always "belonged" to IANA, and were explicitly reserved for
documentation purposes per RFC2606.  However, they never resolved until
last year, when ICANN made the (IMO, poor) decision to make them
resolve.  I also re-read RFC2606 several times, both when that decision
was made, and prior to making that post.  If you read it further, it
states,

   "Or test or example code might be written that accesses a
   TLD that is in use with the thought that the test code would only be
   run in a restricted testbed net or the example never actually run.
   Later, the test code could escape from the testbed or the example be
   actually coded and run on the Internet. Depending on the nature of
   the test or example, it might be best for it to be referencing a TLD
   permanently reserved for such purposes."

...and goes on to say,

   "Test and experimental software can escape
   and end up being run against the global operational DNS."


While it doesn't explicitly state that "these SLDs should never 
resolve" (in fact, it spends most of the time discussing the TLDs,
and does state that .loopback should have an explicit A record),
my interpretation of RFC2606 is that these domains, both TLD and
SLD -- with the exception of .loopback -- were never meant to 
resolve.  To do otherwise would be detrimental to the operational
DNS.  One can also infer that the lack of resolution for the
example.* SLDs from 1995-2001 is evidence of this intent.  To
be blunt, if Jon Postel had wanted example.* to resolve, he 
would have made example.* resolve long before ICANN came into 
being and decided to repeately overstep its mandate.  There was
no reason whatsoever for ICANN to make example.* resolve last
February (Feb 4, 2001, IIRC), other than that it was probably
something Kent Krispin had been itching to do, and ICANN had
hired him to do IT work for them shortly before.  Note that
the server for these domains resides in ICANN's Marina del Ray
offices.


-- 
Mark C. Langston                         Sr. Systems Administrator
mark at bitshift.org                                  Project Phoenix
Systems & Network Admin                             SETI Institute
http://www.bitshift.org                              mark at seti.org


From extasia at mindspring.com  Wed Jul 17 23:00:07 2002
From: extasia at mindspring.com (David Alban)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:00:07 -0700
Subject: sig-beer-west this Saturday in San Francisco
Message-ID: <20020717230007.A6376@new.gerasimov.net>

Important discussions about the TLD .beer at:

dc.sage SIG-beer-west in San Francisco, CA
Saturday, July 20th, 2002 at 6:00pm

This event:

   * Saturday, 07/20/2002, 18:00, at the Toronado

Coming events (third Saturdays):

   * Saturday, 08/17/2002, 18:00
   * Saturday, 09/21/2002, 18:00
   * Saturday, 10/19/2002, 18:00

San Francisco's next social event for computer sysadmins and their
ilk, dc.sage's <http://www.dc-sage.org> SIG-beer-west, will take
place on Saturday, July 20th, 2002 at the Toronado
<http://www.toronado.com> in San Francisco, CA.  

Festivities will start at 18:00 (that's 6 PM) (Pacific Time) and
continue until we've all left.  The Toronado has an excellent
selection of beer, but no food.  It is perfectly okay to score food
from neighboring establishments and bring it back to the Toronado to
eat.  Also, after we are all full with beer we may roam off to a
nearby restaurant.  

This event is not restricted to dc.sage members.  Please feel free to
forward this link and/or to invite friends, co-workers, and others
who might enjoy lifting a glass with sysadmins from all over the place.

Caveat: Attendees must be 21 or older, with proof of age (valid,
government-issued picture ID) to attend.

For directions to the Toronado, please use the excellent directions
at their website. <http://www.toronado.com/map.htm>

When you show up to the Toronado, you should look for some kind of
botched SIG-BEER-WEST sign.  We will try to make it obvious who we
are :-).  

  ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Non-members of dc.sage are heartily welcome to these social events. 
Follow this link if you are interested in joining dc.sage.
<http://www.dc-sage.org/membership.shtml>

Any Comments, Questions, or Suggestions of Things to Do Later on That
Evening ... email David <extasiaATmindspringDOTcom>.

-- 
Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors.
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 232 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://www.baylisa.org/pipermail/baylisa/attachments/20020717/b271a3f7/attachment.bin>

From jeff at drinktomi.com  Thu Jul 18 09:49:52 2002
From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:49:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: sig-beer-west this Saturday in San Francisco
In-Reply-To: <20020717230007.A6376@new.gerasimov.net>
References: <20020717230007.A6376@new.gerasimov.net>
Message-ID: <32291.212.87.127.249.1027010992.squirrel@mail.gigo.com>

David Alban said:
> Important discussions about the TLD .beer at:
>
> dc.sage SIG-beer-west in San Francisco, CA
> Saturday, July 20th, 2002 at 6:00pm

If you're interested in similar weekly events, and a tour of
the Bay's better...er...less savory venues for embibation then
you might consider subscribing to the dive-bar list on
yahoogroups.com.

Every Tuesday they hit a different dive bar in the Bay Area,
and perform some strange little activity.  For example, there
has been Knitting Night at the Odeon, Puzzle Night at
the Ruby Room, Sewing Night at the Eagle (a gay leather bar),
Oragami Night at a bar I can't remember (a good thing),
Double-negative-dive-bar (everything had to be said as a
double negative), Moman Triva Night at The Utah, and
The Cheap Liquor Formal at The Dog Patch.  It is well worth
visiting for at least one evening.

-jeff







From star at starshine.org  Thu Jul 18 17:34:01 2002
From: star at starshine.org (Heather Stern)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 17:34:01 -0700
Subject: Neeting tonight! 7:30 pm
Message-ID: <20020719003401.GB2256@starshine.org>


My goodness, folks, I'm sorry.  This is much later than I usually send
out the reminder that the BayLISA ... SF Bay Area Large Installation  
Sysadmins ... meets tonight.

When:
	7:30 pm until 9:30, err, maybe 10 pm.

Where:

	Incyte Genomics Headquarters, same as every month.
	Details at http://www.baylisa.org/locations/current.html

The topic of the night is:

	AUTOMATED SYSTEM ADMINISTRATION

Steve Traugott, respected member of the Usenix community and just
possibly the orignator of the phrase "Infrastructure Architect"  -
will go into detail about the kinds of decisions that go into planning
an infrastructure so it -can- be automated... and then some actual
details of configuration for automated rollouts.  

By the time any of us are dealing with 40 machines, we're probably
already wishing for this kind of setup.  Steve always has some new
useful bits to add, so even if you have seen his presentation at past
conferences, it's worth seeing again.


... There will be the usual sodas, snacks, job seeking announcements and
openings mentioned, and t-shirts and pint-glasses for sale.

New members are of course, always welcome, and I remind you that BayLISA
meetings are free to the public.

See you all there!

-* Heather Stern * Arch (secretary) BayLISA Board * http://www.baylisa.org/ *-



From Phil_Rufin at trendmicro.com  Tue Jul 23 11:19:04 2002
From: Phil_Rufin at trendmicro.com (Phil_Rufin at trendmicro.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 11:19:04 -0700
Subject: Usability Testers needed with System Admin work background
Message-ID: <615ECA26AE53DA4486191CB2231B010D01D8D8E9@US-ENDOR.us.trendnet.org>

[Approved by postmaster at baylisa.org -- please direct queries & comments
about approval process to that address or blw at baylisa.org.]

		Greetings, System Administrators:

		At Trend Micro, we are always looking for new solution to
protect you from virus and other malicious content threats. Currently,
development is underway on our latest product Control Manager, which is the
latest centralized antivirus, and content security management system. It
retains the software management philosophy embodied by the pioneer in
centralized antivirus-network control -- Trend Virus Control System. Control
Manager implements the same, proven, three-tier protection architecture
(Antivirus Client, Management Server, Control Server) and Web-based control
console concept of its award-winning predecessor. 

		As a part of our development process, I would like to invite
you to participate in an upcoming usability test on Aug 13, 15, and 16,
2002. The test takes about 90 minutes, during which time we'll ask you to
use Control Manager and provide your opinion on the ease of use, design,
features, and look & feel. 
             
             Tester's profile:
		*	System Administrator (Advanced and Intermediate
level) work background

		Test schedule:
            Aug 13--1:30 pm
            Aug 15--9:00 am, 11:00 am, 1:30 pm and 3:30 pm
		Aug 16--9:00 am, 11:00 am, and 1:30 pm

		Because space is limited, please respond to this email ASAP
if you are interested so we can arrange a time that is convenient for you.
Please note that the test will be conducted at the following site:
                        Trend Micro, Inc. office
                        2nd floor, 10101 North De Anza Blvd.
                        Cupertino, CA 95014
                        USA 

		To express our gratitude for your help and participation, we
are offering $100 remuneration to participants who complete the test;
transportation expenses will not be covered.
	Note: You must be 18+ to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA).
		If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me at
phil_rufin at trendmicro.com <mailto:phil_rufin at trendmicro.com> or call
1-800-307-5336 (enter extension number: 6337).

	Sincerely,


	Trend Micro Product Development Team.



Teofilo Monge Rufin, Jr., Ph.D.
Trend Micro Inc.
10101 North De Anza Blvd 
Cupertino, CA 95014
Tel. No: 1-408-863-6337 (direct)
Fax. No: 1-408-863-6534
Email: <mailto:phil_rufin at trendmicro.com>
Website: http://www.antivirus.com/




From bill at wards.net  Tue Jul 23 16:29:51 2002
From: bill at wards.net (William R Ward)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 16:29:51 -0700
Subject: List rules?
Message-ID: <15677.59119.533706.863638@komodo.home.wards.net>


I recently joined the mailing list, and went to my first BayLISA
meeting last week.  I was the guy who put the Weekend Perl Training
flyers on the table by the door.

What are the rules for this mailing list?  Is it OK to announce my
classes here?  If not, apologies in advance if this message smells too
much like an ad.  If so, I will follow up with more details.

--Bill.

-- 
William R Ward - wrw at bayview.com	Sign up now for Perl training!
Bay View Consulting Services		http://www.bayview.com/training/
http://www.bayview.com/			Saturday, July 27 or August 17


From star at starshine.org  Wed Jul 24 13:24:17 2002
From: star at starshine.org (Heather Stern)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 13:24:17 -0700
Subject: List rules?
In-Reply-To: <15677.59119.533706.863638@komodo.home.wards.net>
References: <15677.59119.533706.863638@komodo.home.wards.net>
Message-ID: <20020724202417.GA27280@starshine.org>

On Tue, Jul 23, 2002 at 04:29:51PM -0700, William R Ward wrote:
> 
> I recently joined the mailing list, and went to my first BayLISA
> meeting last week.  I was the guy who put the Weekend Perl Training
> flyers on the table by the door.
> 
> What are the rules for this mailing list?  Is it OK to announce my
> classes here?  If not, apologies in advance if this message smells too
> much like an ad.  If so, I will follow up with more details.
> 
> --Bill.

The baylisa at baylisa.org is a discussion list for sysadmins and
netadmins.  Traffic varies but seems to usually be light.

It's a place to talk, not a corkboard;  contrariwise, baylisa-jobs
is a corkboard, not a place to talk.  (I know, it's not a job.  It's
hard for me to guess where it goes best, either).

As you've already noted it's a good thing to announce at the meetings.

I think it's fine to mention your classes in your signature block,
and encourage people to contact you offline or via your website if 
they want to know more.  But I think e-flyers shouldn't be posted 
on baylisa at baylisa.org.

  . | .   Heather Stern                  |         star at starshine.org
--->*<--- Starshine Technical Services - * - consulting at starshine.org
  ' | `   Sysadmin Support and Training  |        (800) 938-4078


From neil at askneil.com  Wed Jul 24 16:10:35 2002
From: neil at askneil.com (Neil Katin)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 16:10:35 -0700
Subject: Microsoft SMS experience
Message-ID: <3D3F33EB.3070804@askneil.com>


Does anyone out there have Microsoft SMS (systems management server)
experience that would be willing to describe how satisfied they are?  We
are trying to compare SMS to a startup's product offering (www.bigfix.com),
and how easy or hard it is to actually deploy and use SMS.

If you'ld be willing to answer some questions please contact me.

Thanks much.

    Neil Katin
    neil at askneil.com
    +1 650 949 3679




From dennis at sage.org  Wed Jul 24 17:49:09 2002
From: dennis at sage.org (Dennis King)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:49:09 -0700
Subject: SAGEwire interview on cryptography and security with Greg Rose
Message-ID: <3D3F4B05.5070103@sage.org>

Hi All,

Some of you may already be familiar with SAGE's new online forum, 
SAGEwire (http://sagewire.sage.org/). Our first SAGEwire Interview is 
online now. Greg Rose, a cryptography and security guru currently 
working with third generation mobile phones and a past vice president of 
USENIX, is our first interviewee. The related story is on the SAGEwire 
home page. You can submit questions as comments. We'll round them up, 
and he'll answer them in the form of new story.

We hope to have interviews on a regular basis. Please join in! Here's 
the URL of the interview itself:

http://sagewire.sage.org/article.pl?sid=02/07/22/2038200&mode=thread

You can submit questions without any kind of registration, but if you'd 
like to create a login name to use SAGEwire, click "Create a new 
account" in the right column by the login boxes, or you can get started 
here:

https://sagewire.sage.org/users.pl?op=newuserform

Best,

Dennis King
SAGE's Online Content Editor



From jdetke at panix.com  Mon Jul 29 20:13:23 2002
From: jdetke at panix.com (John Detke)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:13:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Used raq4's?
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.44.0207292007440.4481-100000@panix5.panix.com>


Hello,

I've a friend leasing a raq where he hosts some small websites and domains
for small companies (primarily for email).  He's tired of leasing, wants
his own server and it looks like I'll have some time to help him a bit
(current gig ending soon). So first step is acquiring some hardware.
Anyone know of decent places to get raq4's besides ebay? Given what I've
seen of his load, he certainly doesn't need more server than that.

He's rather sold on the cobalt interface, and really likes delegating
email maintenance to his clients. Are there good freeware alternatives?
Anyone using webmin in this capacity?

thanks,
-- 
John F. Detke		| They that can give up essential liberty to obtain
jdetke at panix.com 	| a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty
Felton, CA		| nor safety.     -- Benjamin Franklin. (1706-1790)



From benjy at feen.com  Tue Jul 30 03:51:39 2002
From: benjy at feen.com (Benjy Feen)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:51:39 -0700
Subject: Used raq4's?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.NEB.4.44.0207292007440.4481-100000@panix5.panix.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.44.0207292007440.4481-100000@panix5.panix.com>
Message-ID: <20020730105138.GN13710@pianosa.catch22.org>

> Anyone know of decent places to get raq4's besides ebay? Given what I've
> seen of his load, he certainly doesn't need more server than that.
> 
> He's rather sold on the cobalt interface, and really likes delegating
> email maintenance to his clients. Are there good freeware alternatives?
> Anyone using webmin in this capacity?

I'm pretty certain Cobalt products have been (sadly) end-of-lifed by Sun.
That's about all I know about that.

--
Benjy Feen
benjy(AT)feen.com
http://www.monkeybagel.com


From moazam.raja at sun.com  Tue Jul 30 10:25:13 2002
From: moazam.raja at sun.com (Moazam Raja)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:25:13 -0700
Subject: Used raq4's?
References: <Pine.NEB.4.44.0207292007440.4481-100000@panix5.panix.com>
 <20020730105138.GN13710@pianosa.catch22.org>
Message-ID: <3D46CBF9.6070306@sun.com>

This is not true. You can still buy them from Sun and I'm sure Sun will 
keep selling them for a while.

http://www.sun.com/hardware/serverappliances/

-Moazam

Benjy Feen wrote:
>>Anyone know of decent places to get raq4's besides ebay? Given what I've
>>seen of his load, he certainly doesn't need more server than that.
>>
>>He's rather sold on the cobalt interface, and really likes delegating
>>email maintenance to his clients. Are there good freeware alternatives?
>>Anyone using webmin in this capacity?
> 
> 
> I'm pretty certain Cobalt products have been (sadly) end-of-lifed by Sun.
> That's about all I know about that.
> 
> --
> Benjy Feen
> benjy(AT)feen.com
> http://www.monkeybagel.com





From benjy at feen.com  Tue Jul 30 10:59:00 2002
From: benjy at feen.com (Benjy Feen)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:59:00 -0700
Subject: Used raq4's?
In-Reply-To: <3D46CBF9.6070306@sun.com>
References: <Pine.NEB.4.44.0207292007440.4481-100000@panix5.panix.com> <20020730105138.GN13710@pianosa.catch22.org> <3D46CBF9.6070306@sun.com>
Message-ID: <20020730175900.GA29438@pianosa.catch22.org>

> Benjy Feen wrote:
> >
> >I'm pretty certain Cobalt products have been (sadly) end-of-lifed by Sun.
> >That's about all I know about that.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 10:25:13AM -0700, Moazam Raja wrote:
> This is not true. You can still buy them from Sun and I'm sure Sun will 
> keep selling them for a while.
> 
> http://www.sun.com/hardware/serverappliances/

Hunh. Sure looks like I'm wrong.  I wonder what my source was
smoking, and whether they have any left.


--
Benjy Feen
benjy(AT)feen.com
http://www.monkeybagel.com


From chuck+baylisa at snew.com  Tue Jul 30 11:34:46 2002
From: chuck+baylisa at snew.com (Chuck Yerkes)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:34:46 -0700
Subject: Used raq4's?
Message-ID: <20020730113446.G22437@snew.com>

No, Cobalt is very important for Sun.  Sun doesn't have much
of a story for under $4000 and really doesn't get started well
until $15k and above.  The X1's (aka SF 100) are cute, but
kinda pokey and with reasonable RAM, cost $2000 or more.


I'd love to have 500MHz RAQs (even with MIPS or ARM chips :)
for under $800.

Now, if they'd figure out that the Qube is the perfect home
"digital hub", they might get somewhere.

Benjy Feen wrote:
>>Anyone know of decent places to get raq4's besides ebay? Given what I've
>>seen of his load, he certainly doesn't need more server than that.
>>
>>He's rather sold on the cobalt interface, and really likes delegating
>>email maintenance to his clients. Are there good freeware alternatives?
>>Anyone using webmin in this capacity?
> 
> I'm pretty certain Cobalt products have been (sadly) end-of-lifed by Sun.
> That's about all I know about that.


From claw at kanga.nu  Tue Jul 30 12:10:16 2002
From: claw at kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:10:16 -0700
Subject: Used raq4's? 
In-Reply-To: Message from Benjy Feen <benjy@feen.com> 
   of "Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:51:39 PDT." <20020730105138.GN13710@pianosa.catch22.org> 
References: <Pine.NEB.4.44.0207292007440.4481-100000@panix5.panix.com>  <20020730105138.GN13710@pianosa.catch22.org> 
Message-ID: <26611.1028056216@kanga.nu>

On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:51:39 -0700 
Benjy Feen <benjy at feen.com> wrote:

> I'm pretty certain Cobalt products have been (sadly) end-of-lifed by
> Sun.  That's about all I know about that.

Yes, a number of Cobalt products have been EOLed.  However they have
also recently launched new cobalt products.  The general Cobalt
appliance line is not dead, jut going thru normal iterative upgrades
(faster CPU's, more memory, etc).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.