From rjwitte at rjwitte.com Sat Aug 3 13:40:11 2002 From: rjwitte at rjwitte.com (Russel J. Witte) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 13:40:11 -0700 Subject: Domain Registrar... Message-ID: Hi all, It's time for me to renew a domain I control for a non-profit and I recall a discussion several months ago on this list about registrars. Someone here claimed that they had gone through the steps to become a OpenSRS registrar and would be willing to register domains at cost. Does that offer still stand? If so, could you please email me directly? Thanks! Russ From star at starshine.org Tue Aug 6 19:11:31 2002 From: star at starshine.org (Heather Stern) Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 19:11:31 -0700 Subject: SVLUG meet this Wed has sysadmin topic Message-ID: <20020807021131.GC31880@starshine.org> I figured that many of us in BayLISA would be interested in knowing that the SVLUG meeting this wednesday ... (as I'm sending this Tuesday evening, for many of you that will mean "tonight") ... has a speaker we may know: Christine Hogan The topic will be: Scheduled Maintenance Windows For those of you not familiar with the Silicon Valley Linux User Group, you can get directions to the meeting (7 pm to 9 pm) at: http://www.svlug.org/directions/cisco-9.shtml I look forward to seeing many of you there! -* Heather Stern * Arch (secretary) BayLISA Board * http://www.baylisa.org/ *- From irene at infocousa.com Fri Aug 9 11:23:11 2002 From: irene at infocousa.com (Irene Rosenthal) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:23:11 -0700 Subject: IT professionals needed for focus group Message-ID: Please share this information with your colleagues and associates. If you would like to participate in these focus groups, please call me at 877-358-7019. ------------------------------------------- My name is Irene Rosenthal and I am a project coordinator with Infoco, a marketing research firm. We are conducting focus groups in San Francisco on August 21st and 22nd. The purpose of these groups is to discuss how computer security solutions can help contribute to your organization's business operations. We are looking for government and financial services professionals: 1. Senior IT/IS management individuals who define or play a key role in their organization's technology decisions related to security solutions. 2. Executives who are NOT in IT/IS but who play a key role in their organization's technology decisions related to security solutions. Please be assured that you will not be asked to divulge any proprietary information about your organization - in the groups you will learn about some emerging new product ideas and have an opportunity to provide your feedback. The groups will last approximately 2 hours and you will be compensated $200 for your time. This will be a wonderful opportunity to meet and exchange ideas with colleagues and peers. This research is being conducted strictly for marketing research purposes and at no time will anything be sold. No information about you will be sold or otherwise distributed. If you are interested in participating, please reply with your daytime and evening number or call me directly at 877-358-7019. Please feel free to share this invitation with others that you may know in your field. Thank you, and we look forward to including you in our session! Sincerely, Irene Rosenthal -- Irene Rosenthal Infoco Research Coordinator 877-358-7019 (toll free voice) 480-759-6906 fax irene at infocousa.com www.infocousa.com From bill at wards.net Fri Aug 9 16:25:09 2002 From: bill at wards.net (William R Ward) Date: 09 Aug 2002 16:25:09 -0700 Subject: Recommendations for a training facility? Message-ID: Hi, I'm the guy who had the Perl training flyers at last month's meetings.... I hope that what I have to ask isn't inappropriate for this list; if it is, please slap my hand gently and I won't do it again. I've been holding my classes at a very nice, but rather expensive, facility, called LearnIt!, in San Mateo. They have large rooms with seats for up to 20 people. But I never have more than 10 people in my classes, and it's kind of wasteful. I was wondering if anyone here knew a better alternative. I am looking for a facility that comes with a PC for each student, and preferably a projector or a hydra-headed PC for the instructor. Somewhere on the Peninsula or San Jose would be ideal (I live in Mountain View). Since this is a for-profit enterprise, I'm looking for a space to rent, not just a freebie. But I'm also happy to do barter, if someone would consider Perl training to be worthwhile for that space. Oh yeah, and it has to be available on Saturdays, and it would be good to have the option of having evening courses there from time to time. --Bill. -- William R Ward - william.ward at bayview.com Sign up now for Perl training! Bay View Consulting Services http://www.bayview.com/training/ http://www.bayview.com/ Saturdays: August 17, 24, or 31 From star at starshine.org Mon Aug 12 21:08:32 2002 From: star at starshine.org (Heather Stern) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:08:32 -0700 Subject: BayLISA: Thursday, Aug 15, 7:30 pm Message-ID: <20020813040832.GA761@starshine.org> The thid Thursday in August being on the 15th, it may feel a bit early this month. But still, this meeting of BayLISA< the sysadmins and net admin group of the Silicon Valley Bay Area, should not be missed. Because of Linux World Expo in S.F. this week it is possible that a great many interesting folk from out of town may be present. But our speaker for the evening will be Nathan Good Nathan is currently with HP Laboratories' Information Dynamics Lab. In the past he worked at Xerox PARC in Human Document Interfaces, and at the University of Minnesota on the GroupLens project. The topic? Interface Design and Security Security is a big thing for many of us as sysadmins these days but it is, in a much more subtle way, also an issue for users. HP Laboratories did a study into the interface of Kazaa and how its interface allows users to share much more data than they thought they were sharing. The location of course, is the usual Incyte Genomics http://www.baylisa.org/locations/current.html 3160 Porter Drive Nearest major cross streets: Page Mill Road and Porter Drive Nearest highway entrance: 280 freeway (or Foothill Xpwy) Page Mill Road exit head "north" - towards El Camino Real, and Mountain View. And the timeframe is 7:30 to 9:30... or so... probably more like 10 pm. There will be snacks, sodas, fellow administrators to hang out with, and announcements of whatever sorts you feel inclined to before the speaker begins. Anyone is welcome to join BayLISA as a member, or to encourage their companies to become corpoarate members. We also sell pint glasses and T-shirts. The older style cyan t-shirts are almost gone but we have plenty of modern black ones :) Anyone inclined to dinner afterwards should make sure to hang out after the speaker finishes and make sure we're all going to the same address. -* Heather Stern * Arch (secretary) BayLISA Board * http://www.baylisa.org/ *- From extasia at mindspring.com Thu Aug 15 16:54:56 2002 From: extasia at mindspring.com (David Alban) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 16:54:56 -0700 Subject: SIG-BEER-WEST this Saturday August 17th in San Francisco Message-ID: <20020815165456.A20284@new.gerasimov.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Third Boolean state discovered!! Hear all about it at: dc.sage SIG-beer-west in San Francisco, CA Saturday, August 17th, 2002 at 6:00pm This event: * Saturday, 08/17/2002, 18:00, at the Toronado, San Francisco Coming events (third Saturdays): * Saturday, 09/21/2002, 18:00 * Saturday, 10/19/2002, 18:00 * Saturday, 11/16/2002, 18:00 San Francisco's next social event for computer sysadmins and their friends, dc.sage's SIG-beer-west , will take place on Saturday, August 17th, 2002 at the Toronado in San Francisco, CA. The Toronado has an impressive selection of draught and bottled beer. Festivities will start at 18:00 (that's 6 PM) (Pacific Time) and continue until we've all left. The Toronado has an excellent selection of beer, but no food. It is perfectly okay to score food from neighboring establishments and bring it back to the Toronado to eat. Also, after we are all full with beer we may roam off to a nearby restaurant. Everyone is welcome at this event. Please feel free to forward this link and to invite friends, co-workers, and others who might enjoy lifting a glass with sysadmins from all over the place. Caveat: Attendees must be 21 or older, with proof of age (valid, government-issued picture ID) to attend. For directions to the Toronado, please use the excellent directions at their website. When you show up at the Toronado, you should look for some kind of botched SIG-BEER-WEST sign. We will try to make it obvious who we are :-). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Any Comments, Questions, or Suggestions of Things to Do Later on That Evening ... email Fiid or David . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. *** Unix sysadmin available: http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/jac/resume.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9XD7gPh0M9c/OpdARAo4CAJ48TUDLRnLxtUGUK+/YvgiyfZdDKwCeIKw2 KdjrIvE7iKArSTuwfOP5p4Y= =yRuN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From alex at usenix.org Tue Aug 20 09:29:17 2002 From: alex at usenix.org (Alex Walker) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:29:17 -0700 Subject: 16th Systems Administration Conference (LISA '02), sponsored by USENIX and SAGE Message-ID: <3D626E5D.3060503@usenix.org> Attend the 16th Systems Administration Conference & Tutorial Program, sponsored by USENIX and SAGE --------------------- LISA'02 November 3-8, 2002 - Philadelphia, PA Take advantage of our early registration and student discounts! http://www.usenix.org/lisa02/ --------------------- Learn from master practitioners and noted Authors at over 35 technical tutorials. Topics include: * UNIX, Solaris, and Linux system administration * Performance tuning, disaster recovery planning, SANs, massive upgrades, user request management, and other service challenges * Monitoring, intrusion detection, firewalls, and Web security * DNS administration and practical wireless networking Hear practical solutions from expert speakers, including: - Keynote: Jim Reese, Chief Operations Engineer of Google, on Google's architecture and the challenges of running an Internet search service - Paul Vixie on Internet governance, peering, and legislation - Curtis Preston, backup guru, on streamlining backup and recovery - Len Sassaman on "the promise of privacy" - Tim Nagle of TRW on his years with the NSA Red Team - Daniel V. Klein on the constitutional and legal arguments against spam LISA'02 continues to provide an integrated experience for all attendees. In one place, you can: - Evaluate new approaches to automation, monitoring, security, and the evolving theory of system administration (among other topics) in the Refereed Paper sessions - Find people with similar interests or administrative problems at Birds-of-a-Feather sessions - Bring your perplexing technical questions to experts at LISA's unique "The Guru Is In" sessions - Explore the latest commercial innovations at the Vendor Exhibition Please join us in Philadelphia and lend your skills, experience, and opinions toward forging an exciting future for the profession. For complete program information, and to register visit: http://www.usenix.org/lisa02/ We look forward to seeing you in Philly! From jxh at jxh.com Tue Aug 20 20:18:22 2002 From: jxh at jxh.com (Jim Hickstein) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:18:22 -0700 Subject: Urgent: BayLISA is moving Message-ID: <434727.1029874702@[10.9.18.6]> BayLISA has been meeting at Incyte Genomics for quite a while, and it's time to find a new space. We have always relied on the members (and, often, their employers) to find a suitable room. We need your help again. If you know of a room that will meet our needs, and you have some influence over its keepers, please contact them on our behalf. You may have more influence than you think: ask. You could also send the contact info to and we'll approach them, but it's best if we have a sponsor within the host organization. You need to make the case that BayLISA is worth supporting, and the recognition it brings to the host is valuable. The upcoming general meeting in September (always the third Thursday) may be the last at Incyte. We want to have a new venue *confirmed* so we can announce it at that meeting. So time is short! Make that phone call or send that email NOW, please! Feel free to forward this message to anyone you think can help. Regarding our "needs", we aren't too picky: seating for 80 in a lecture arrangement, available from 7 to 10 p.m the third Thursday of every month, somewhere roughly in the south bay or peninsula. Some of our past venues have had some nice amenities (PA, LCD projector, Internet) but we're pretty resourceful and can make do with a very basic space. Please get us the contact first, and then we'll look at the room and decide on its suitability. Thank you for your help with this, and all your support over the years. And thanks once again to Brett Lemoine and Brad Robinson of Incyte Genomics for the wonderful support we have received there. -- Jim Hickstein President, BayLISA www.baylisa.org From extasia at mindspring.com Fri Aug 23 11:30:36 2002 From: extasia at mindspring.com (David Alban) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:30:36 -0700 Subject: Mac OS 9 media? Message-ID: <20020823113036.A32006@new.gerasimov.net> Greetings! Anyone have Mac OS 9.0 CD's (CD?) that they no longer need? I recently bought a used mac running OS 9.0. I'm hoping to get the OS 9.0 media without having to buy OS X.[1] Thanks! David [1] The mac is not a good candidate for upgrading to OS X. -- Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors. *** Unix sysadmin available: http://www.gerasimov.net/~alban/jac/resume.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is the veritable Wonka's Chocolate Factory of FreeBSD ISOs. You can drink from the buttercups and find versions from 1996. Thanks, chuck From dlc-bl at halibut.com Mon Aug 26 12:22:26 2002 From: dlc-bl at halibut.com (Dave) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:22:26 -0700 Subject: Cables: to label or not to label....that is the flamewar Message-ID: <20020826122226.C5047@halibut.com> We're having an, ahem, "discussion" with an internal customer (lab user) over whether or not my group (sysadmins) should be labeling patch cables in her (software QA) lab. We've found that as often as not, the users of these very loosely-controlled software development and QA labs move any cables we've labeled to other equipment without re-labeling, and it sends us (and them) on wild goose chases when troubleshooting. We've proposed a compromise of putting a unique cable serial number on both ends of each (new) patch cable. What do y'all do w.r.t. labeling in uncontrolled lab areas? (What do you do in access-controlled datacenters, for that matter?) thanks.... -- . , : ; | "Are you now, or have you ever been?" --George Lucas, THX-1138 From gwen at reptiles.org Mon Aug 26 12:58:02 2002 From: gwen at reptiles.org (Gwendolynn ferch Elydyr) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Cables: to label or not to label....that is the flamewar In-Reply-To: <20020826122226.C5047@halibut.com> Message-ID: <20020826155552.Q399-100000@iguana.reptiles.org> On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Dave wrote: > We're having an, ahem, "discussion" with an internal customer (lab user) > over whether or not my group (sysadmins) should be labeling patch cables > in her (software QA) lab. We've found that as often as not, the users > of these very loosely-controlled software development and QA labs move > any cables we've labeled to other equipment without re-labeling, and > it sends us (and them) on wild goose chases when troubleshooting. > > We've proposed a compromise of putting a unique cable serial number > on both ends of each (new) patch cable. Hrm. I really don't recommend labelling cables with anything other than serial numbers. Cables have (as you've discovered) an astounding ability to roam. The numbers are at least easy to match at both ends *sigh* I do make a point of labeling switch ports when the switch is a smart switch - but again find that physically labeling ports is more often a problem than not. Of course if your switch is widely accessible, it won't matter if you have port labels in software, either. cheers! ========================================================================== "A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now." From rsr at inorganic.org Mon Aug 26 13:31:51 2002 From: rsr at inorganic.org (Roy S. Rapoport) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cables: to label or not to label....that is the flamewar In-Reply-To: <20020826122226.C5047@halibut.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Dave wrote: > We're having an, ahem, "discussion" with an internal customer (lab user) > over whether or not my group (sysadmins) should be labeling patch cables > in her (software QA) lab. We've found that as often as not, the users > of these very loosely-controlled software development and QA labs move > any cables we've labeled to other equipment without re-labeling, and > it sends us (and them) on wild goose chases when troubleshooting. > > We've proposed a compromise of putting a unique cable serial number > on both ends of each (new) patch cable. > > What do y'all do w.r.t. labeling in uncontrolled lab areas? (What do > you do in access-controlled datacenters, for that matter?) I tend to work on the basis of the assumption that bad information is worse to have than no information -- I'd rather not know something than think I know something and have it be wrong. Based on that, we've only labeled patch cables in environments where we expected to have decent control over their usage. We have clients with remarkably static instatllations, where labeling a cable with the port and machine name on both sides has worked well for us, though in these circumstances we've found generally that the amount of time we spend tracing cables is proportionally lower anyway; in all other situations, we've attempted to come up with a good mix of colors for cables (leaving aside two standards -- red for console and orange or yellow for crossover) so it'll be easier to trace them. I like the idea of unique serial numbers; it might be difficult to do with reliability unless your cable intake process is much more regimented than others I've seen. In general, I'd also say that: A) One group should be responsible for cabling; B) That group should do whatever it wants about labeling. -roy From chuck+baylisa at snew.com Mon Aug 26 14:30:17 2002 From: chuck+baylisa at snew.com (Chuck Yerkes) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:30:17 -0700 Subject: Cables: to label or not to label....that is the flamewar In-Reply-To: <20020826122226.C5047@halibut.com>; from dlc-bl@halibut.com on Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 12:22:26PM -0700 References: <20020826122226.C5047@halibut.com> Message-ID: <20020826143017.C15408@snew.com> Quoting Dave (dlc-bl at halibut.com): > We're having an, ahem, "discussion" with an internal customer (lab user) > over whether or not my group (sysadmins) should be labeling patch cables > in her (software QA) lab. We've found that as often as not, the users > of these very loosely-controlled software development and QA labs move > any cables we've labeled to other equipment without re-labeling, and > it sends us (and them) on wild goose chases when troubleshooting. > > We've proposed a compromise of putting a unique cable serial number > on both ends of each (new) patch cable. PROPERLY and done RIGHT: Machines have CAT5 networking going to a patch panel near the hubs/switchs. Consoles go via to another (perhaps cheaper) patch panel (CAT3 is ok for 9600Kb serial :) near the terminal server. You have labels on the patch panel and on the end of the cable. E.G. panel A might have, at the computer end: A1 and A2 (port 1 and port 2, on panel A) Very short CAT5 cables go from panel to hub or terminal server. Have also adapters so that a Terminal Servers or panels can be plugged into a laptop (or psion or Wyse50). When a machine goes it, it's attached to the patch panels (and perhaps labelled by name at the panel). Nobody gets to mess with it then. It takes a little more effort to start, but I'm at a place that didn't spend that effort and we've been spending it over and over to deal with that not being setup. Setting up a panel at the end of a row of machines with a plethora of cables dropped where machines go means it's easier to do it right than to do it wrong. Done well, it's not an effort to add a machine and it won't be shortcut. (Oh, I'm a stickler for serial consoles - even on Intel boxes. Being able to see and LOG what goes on on the console is ALWAYS a win. Perhaps you have a KVM with a couple long "floater" cables for those times you need BIOS, and perhaps that KVM handles the 2 windows machines you allow in the lab :) ------------------------------------------------------------ Otherwise, gangs of different colored cables with SOME label on each end, but not machine names - cables roam. From jxh at jxh.com Mon Aug 26 15:34:08 2002 From: jxh at jxh.com (Jim Hickstein) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:34:08 -0700 Subject: Cables: to label or not to label....that is the flamewar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30300000.1030401248@jxh.mirapoint.com> > I like the idea of unique serial numbers; it might be difficult to do with > reliability unless your cable intake process is much more regimented than > others I've seen. Arnold DeLeon used to buy them this way at Synopsys, if memory serves. I daresay it can be done. Talk to your vendor. He had the length encoded in the number, too, which was a nice touch. From berry at housebsd.org Mon Aug 26 16:10:59 2002 From: berry at housebsd.org (Sean Berry) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:10:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Cables: to label or not to label....that is the flamewar In-Reply-To: <30300000.1030401248@jxh.mirapoint.com> Message-ID: Digital Island (colo provider) required that we label our cables at both ends with what they were coming from and going to, and it was very handy. Unfortunately, that really only works when you've got a fairly static environment. Their documentation system was great though, and would have quite easily scaled to cover the entire data center without any modifications. In any more fluid of an environment, it's easier to decide whether to label cables as cables "patch-10(foot)-(number)132", or to label them for what they do "sparky hme0". If you're buying new cables, I agree completely with Jim: they're easier pre-labeled. On Mon, 26 Aug 2002, Jim Hickstein wrote: > > I like the idea of unique serial numbers; it might be difficult to do with > > reliability unless your cable intake process is much more regimented than > > others I've seen. > > Arnold DeLeon used to buy them this way at Synopsys, if memory serves. I > daresay it can be done. Talk to your vendor. > > He had the length encoded in the number, too, which was a nice touch. > -- Sean Berry works with UNIX, especially Solaris/SPARC and NetBSD. His opinions are not necessarily those of his employers. (650) 281-6610 His current photo projects can be found at http://www.housebsd.org/~berry/photo/ From arnold at corp.webtv.net Mon Aug 26 22:08:43 2002 From: arnold at corp.webtv.net (Arnold de Leon) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:08:43 -0700 Subject: Cables: to label or not to label....that is the flamewar In-Reply-To: <30300000.1030401248@jxh.mirapoint.com> References: <30300000.1030401248@jxh.mirapoint.com> Message-ID: <20020827050843.GA3769@corp.webtv.net> Each end was labeled with a vendor installed label at both ends. The number was split in 3 parts, a number for the color/type (just in case someone couldn't tell the colors apart), a number for the length and serial number. Ahh, I found some old notes, 51-004-10101 is 4 foot black cross over cable number 100101. I agree, no label is better than wrong label. Hmm, need to update address that is subscribed to the list. arnold On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 03:34:08PM -0700, Jim Hickstein wrote: > >I like the idea of unique serial numbers; it might be difficult to do with > >reliability unless your cable intake process is much more regimented than > >others I've seen. > > Arnold DeLeon used to buy them this way at Synopsys, if memory serves. I > daresay it can be done. Talk to your vendor. > > He had the length encoded in the number, too, which was a nice touch. From alex at usenix.org Tue Aug 27 14:51:12 2002 From: alex at usenix.org (Alex Walker) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:51:12 -0700 Subject: 16th Systems Administration Conference & Tutorial Program, sponsored by USENIX and SAGE Message-ID: <3D6BF450.8040803@usenix.org> Attend the 16th Systems Administration Conference & Tutorial Program, sponsored by USENIX and SAGE --------------------- LISA'02 November 3-8, 2002 - Philadelphia, PA Take advantage of our early registration and student discounts! http://www.usenix.org/lisa02/ --------------------- Learn from master practitioners and noted Authors at over 35 technical tutorials. Topics include: * UNIX, Solaris, and Linux system administration * Performance tuning, disaster recovery planning, SANs, massive upgrades, user request management, and other service challenges * Monitoring, intrusion detection, firewalls, and Web security * DNS administration and practical wireless networking Hear practical solutions from expert speakers, including: - Keynote: Jim Reese, Chief Operations Engineer of Google, on Google's architecture and the challenges of running an Internet search service - Larry Wall, Perl 6 - Paul Vixie on Internet governance, peering, and legislation - Curtis Preston, backup guru, on streamlining backup and recovery - Len Sassaman on "the promise of privacy" - Tim Nagle of TRW on his years with the NSA Red Team - Daniel V. Klein on the constitutional and legal arguments against spam Also featured: - New approaches to automation, monitoring, security, and the evolving theory of system administration (among other topics) in the Refereed Paper sessions - Answers to perplexing technical questions from experts at LISA's unique "The Guru Is In" sessions - The latest commercial innovations at the Vendor Exhibition Please join us in Philadelphia and lend your skills, experience, and opinions toward forging an exciting future for the profession. For complete program information, and to register visit: http://www.usenix.org/lisa02/ -- Alex Walker Production Editor USENIX Association 2560 Ninth Street, Suite 215 Berkeley, CA 94710 510/528-8649 x33